This documentary on the California primary is very disturbing. It has accounts from numerous poll workers of voters being told that the computer system showed specific voters as having requested to vote by mail, which meant they were supposedly mailed a ballot. Not only did many say they never got a ballot, many said they had never signed up to vote by mail. And this includes voters who said they had never heard of vote by mail.
Those voters who showed up at the polls who were listed as “vote by mail” would only be given provisional ballot. On top of that, if they were registered “no party preference” they would have to ask specifically for a “crossover ballot” in order to vote. In fairness, I was told that many poll workers were more helpful, but this description from Greg Palast makes clear how the intent was to suppress their vote:
This is from the official [California] Election Officer Training Manual page 49:
“A No Party Preference voter will need to request a crossover ballot from the Roster Index Officer. (Do not offer them a crossover ballot if they do not ask).”
They’re not kidding. Poll worker Jeff Lewis filed a description of the training in an official declaration to a federal court:
Someone raised their hand and asked a follow-up question: ‘So, what if someone gets a nonpartisan ballot, notices it doesn’t have the presidential candidates on it, and asks you where they are?’ The answer poll workers are instructed to give: ‘Sorry, NPP ballots don’t have presidential candidates on them.’ That’s correct: even when people ask questions of that nature, obviously intending to vote with a party.
Remember, “no party preference” voters were expected to skew heavily to Sanders. In addition, there are first person accounts of voters who were registered as Democrat listed at the polling station as “no party preference” or Republican, or similarly that their party preference had been switched when they got their mail-in ballot.
Moreover, if someone filed a provisional ballot and there was a ballot mailed in for them, the vote by mail ballot takes precedence. Doesn’t this seem like a prescription for fraud?
Please circulate this post (or the video) widely. And thank Catherine A for making sure I didn’t miss it.
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I can vouch that I cast the first ballot in my polling place, for Sanders, in a county that went to Sanders.
Fifteen minutes after the hour that the polling place was to open, there was a clot of working voters who had been turned away due to a “technical problem.” I stepped inside, a lawyer of 32 years experience in a blue suit, and asserted my right to vote — a quarter hour after the polling place was to have opened. I stood with my considerable physical bulk at the registry table and stated my intent to remain there until I might be allowed a ballot. The workers appeared distressed that I was a registered Democrat, and hassled everyone behind me about their party registration.
However, once I planted myself in front of the poll workers and insisted on a paper ballot, the Party flunky in charge suddenly was able to initialize the counting machine. I marked and cast the precint’s ballot number one for Sanders — the delay was surely just a coincidence… Move along. Nothing to see here.
Completely unreported was the confusion for overseas absentee voters, I had a series of back and forth contradictory pre-election emails between myself and the registrar for my California district. The official instructions were to submit my paper ballot by mail in a configuration that was illegal for international post to deliver (with my ballot somehow taped to the exterior of the envelope). Then there were contradictory instructions on how to fill out and sign the various forms, they finally threw in the towel and gave me instructions that contradicted the official printed instructions and basically just said “go for it”.
You were a democrat asking for the democratic party ballot and they were not responsive at first. I thought that the issue was sanders voters who had always been registered as NPP, had not changed their registration to democratic party were whining because you can’t just vote for anyone in the primary.
Washington state has been totally vote by mail for years – it works fine. We also have both caucuses and state wide primary.
Caucuses are essentially very unfair as you can only participate if you have all day and into the night to participate in Precinct Caucuses and LD/County caucuses in that order.
You are really misconstruing the issues on multiple levels. I suggest you watch the video.
First, you appear to have missed that California has an open primary. However, the requirement that NPP voters had to ask in a very specific way to get a Democratic party ballot is vote suppression, period. So your comment about “whining” is proof you are ignorant. I’m letting this comment through but agnotology is against our house rules and I’m not letting another comment that attempts to present false information through.
Second, do you have a reading comprehension problem? Sluggeaux said he got there after the poll opened and the people ahead of him were “turned away” as in not allowed to vote. Only by virtue of being a physically large man who knew his rights, is skilled at arguing, and made clear he was not going away did the poll workers suddenly fix the problem and start letting people vote at that station. In districts where voting machines were not working, lines got long fast. Voters either gave up or the best they could do was go that voters went to neighboring districts to try to vote (we had poll workers tell us the day of the vote they had that happen). They would only get provisional ballots regardless of their party affiliation in that case.
Third, the fact that vote by mail works well in other states is irrelevant to what happened in California.
Yves has already addressed the “You misinterpreted everything” side, so I’ll stick to the “Are you even from Washington” side. First, Washington has not been exclusively VBM “for years.” The counties were given the option in 2005, and it became exclusive in 2011. If you were acttually around and paying attention, you know it took a significant amount of voter education. Second, the primary is not only open, it’s meaningless. The state delegates were selected at the caucuses, the nationals at the state convention.
There have been thousands of reports of hanky-panky, not only in CA but across the entire nation, state after state after state. And the usual media blackout of same. But this is immense and has been costing us elections for decades now. The result is that the parties have converged on GOP norm since they pretty much set the system up, and because it’s hard to disenfranchise whites, unless they’re in a clearly identifiable location like colleges or the military. The GOP is really in a bind now tho. They can’t easily turn it against Trump because his voters are the ones the system is set up to select for. So the next-closest republican is Hillary…
This is not necessarily 100% directed at you – this what’s the point when the following thought occurred to me: where was all the passion, outrage, and grassroot effort to “expose voter suppression” when the disenfranchise voters were poor, non-white Americans? I’m not calling anyone racist…this ass strikes me as odd…all of the urban legends and complaining about how Sanders got the short end of the stick (despite every possible calculation pointing to a mathematical certainty he could not get the nomination) are gaining momentum, when we have ACTUAL, factual voter suppression laws on the books in many states. And to the commentor calling another ignorant was just plain ugly; we all had different experiences when it comes to our civil rights the least we could do is have a civil discourse.
I worked the polls in California, my first time doing so. It was instructive and heartbreaking. I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch the documentary yet.
In our training in Los Angeles, we were told to help voters get access to the crossover ballot of their choosing. I don’t remember if the video was explicit about that, but the live instructional session definitely was. The problem is that this still relies on volunteers doing it, and as we know, the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign was actively promoting the idea that Sanders voters and independent voters had no right to participate in the primary. So people could have felt morally empowered to stay silent rather than help NPP voters.
In addition to all the more nefarious problems, like the “blue pages” of newly registered voters not making it to UCLA and other Sanders-heavy precincts, it’s hard to know how much of the “wait, I was mailed a ballot?” and “I did not register as VBM!” stuff was intentional theft, mere bureaucratic incompetence or voter incompetence — my guess is all three were in play. Enough people said very indignantly that they had not registered the way they were listed that I believe at least some of them were switched against their will. But it is also true that EVERYTHING about the process is overly complicated, which acts to disenfranchise voters broadly and systematically. The Vote By Mail Ballot looks too much like the sample ballot. Lots of people threw their VBM out, not realizing what it was, or brought their sample in thinking it was their VBM. This then forced them to use the provisional envelope. There was absolutely no reason for all those separate ballots for different parties, when the ONLY line that was different was the presidential primary, given that we have jungle primaries. Why did there have to be a separate crossover ballot at all? It was identical to the Democratic ballot, except for a pattern on the top of the paper. I presume this was a supposed protection against both voter theft AND election theft. We had an incredibly complex process after voting closed to cross-check that everybody who checked in got a ballot and every type of ballot was accounted for. But we counted and recounted for HOURS and never got our numbers to perfectly add up. There were so many steps to so many different variations of ballots and ballot problems. Signed, sealed VBMs went one place. Exchanged VBMs went another, with several additional checks and balances Exchanged VBMs that were NPP/Crossover had more steps. Exchanged VBMs/Crossover ballots that got misvoted had more things that had to be counted and checked and sorted and refiled. VBMs that were not exchanged and forced to go provisional that were NPP Crossover had yet MORE processes to remember and follow. Nobody on our team had ever done this before and it is so, so complicated that in the end, it did the opposite of its intention: it prevented voters from being able to express their preference, and we were unable to accurately account for all our voters and ballots. And all of this mess was ONLY because of one ballot line, because some parties were allowing crossovers and others were not.
The process and the design of the materials need to be MUCH simpler. And then we need open primaries, automatic or same day registration, paper ballots, NO scanner, counted by hand only in public, with real observation and accountability. Only then will we have democracy.
Great Britain counted the BREXIT vote on paper, by hand, with observation, in one evening. California is still not done yet. But BREXIT didn’t turn out the way the rulers wanted, so I guess that means we’re even further away from getting to vote on paper in the United States.
The complexity isn’t a bug. It’s a feature.
aab, thank you for that detailed account. I no longer live in California, but I’ve been following the primary closely. It didn’t take long to come to the conclusion that the “strategy” is a pattern that keeps cropping up in matters involving HRC: “It’s not fraud, we’re just underfunded and understaffed, and some of our people are incompetent and made mistakes, so sorry.” By HRC’s standards, admitting you made a mistake is equivalent to “taking responsibility.” There, it’s all settled. Can we move on now?
It’s brilliant, when you think about it. In all probability, the political appointees who headed the incompetence won’t get sacked. More importantly, incompetence isn’t punishable by law. “Not a bug, a feature,” indeed.
Multiple lawsuits, more than those listed below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P-jIC4ZZN8
Saturday TrustVote Update
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Newer Update, with less tech/audio issues than Thurs June 30th.
In last part of meeting, Attorney Bill Simpich answers questions about the three California lawsuits. Lori will give a more detailed update about the Ohio election integrity lawsuit and also the class action lawsuit against Deborah Wasserman Schultz.
LORI MAY NOT GIVE MANY DETAILS ABOUT THE (RICO) OHIO LAWSUITS. Please be prepared for that. The timing isn’t right to say too much. Please have patience.
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Election Justice USA
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Election Justice USA shared a video.
June 30 at 8:56pm ·
California Secretary of State, Alex Padilla, being served for our lawsuit.
Emilio Le Prado
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Secretary of State, Alex Padilla has been served for election fraud!!!!! He left immediately the Hillary fundraiser right after!
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http://sourceplanet.net/politics/2-5-million-provisional-votes-may-have-been-shredded/
2.5 Million Provisional Votes May Have Been Shredded
Posted By: James Walker July 2, 2016
If you are wondering where the 2.5 Million missing votes went, well maybe it was the shredder. During a surprise press conference by CitizensOversight.org in front of the San Diego County Registrar’s office, to announce lawsuits a company called Southern California Shredding with the coincidental slogan “Because the Outcome Has to be Certain!!!” was parked in front of the building.
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https://www.facebook.com/ElectionJusticeUSA/
Election Justice USA Files Lawsuit to Stop the Certification of California’s Primary Results
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA – June 29th, 2016
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http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1658
Lutz vs. Vu — Complaint for Declaratory Relief
Citizens Oversight (2016-06-16) Ray Lutz
This Page: http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1658
PLEASE NOTE
This action was subsequently modified to request for injunctive relief, and now is being handled by former Asst. City Attorney Alan Geraci. Hearing to occur in San Diego Superior Court, July 6, 2016, 1:30pm Dept C-73.
On June 16, 2016, the following “Complaint for Declaratory Relief” was filed by Ray Lutz against San Diego Registrar of Voters Michael Vu and his supervisor, Helen N. Robbins-Meyer, Chief Administrative Officer of San Diego County. This was served to the County Counsel at 12:35pm, and we attempted to serve Micheal Vu directly at 2:35pm but he refused to accept it, so we threw it on the floor at his office.
What is this about
The San Diego Registrar of Voters (SDROV) and many other election districts in California are not complying with the law regarding the 1% manual tally. They are leaving out a vast number of Vote by mail (VBM) ballots that were still to be processed after election day, and also the many provisionals.
• Video Tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Xn4nQK1sE
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Header of the filed complaint:
Initial Complaint, filed Pro Per by Ray Lutz
• Lutz_vs_Vu_–_Complaint_for_Declaratory_Relief.pdf: Main complaint, Lutz vs. Vu
• Lutz_vs_Vu_–_Complaint_for_Declaratory_Relief_-_EXHIBITS.pdf: Lutz vs Vu — Complaint for Declaratory Relief — Exhibits
http://www.copswiki.org/w119/pub/Common/M1658/Lutz_vs_Vu_–_Complaint_for_Declaratory_Relief_-_EXHIBITS.pdf
First Amended Complaint. Filed 2016-06-24 by Attorney Alan Geraci. Citizens Oversight added as a plaintiff
• Lutz_vs_Vu_–_FAC_06212016.pdf: First Amended Complaint
• Decl_Ray_Lutz.pdf: FAC – Decl of Ray Lutz
• NOL_Exhibits.pdf: FAC – Exhibits
• Notice_Motion.pdf: FAC – Notice Motion
• POS.pdf: FAC – Proof of Service
• Ps_and_As.pdf: FAC – Points and Authorities
County response, filed on 2016-06-30
• Defendants_Opposition_to_Mtn_for_Prelim_Injunction-PA.pdf: County Response —
Opposition to Motion, Points and Authorities
• Defendants_Req_for_Judicial_Ntce.pdf: Def. Request for Official Notice
• Evidentiary_Objections_to_Decl._of_R._Lutz.pdf: Objections to Ray Lutz declaration
• NTCE_of_Lodgmnt.pdf: County Response exhibits
• Decl._of_M._Vu.pdf: Declaration of Michael Vu
• Dec_of_J._Lean_(SOS).pdf: Declaration of J. Lean of SOS office
• Dec_of_D._Logan_(LA).pdf: Declaration of Dean Logan (LA ROV)
• Dec_of_G._Pellerin_(Santa_Cruz).pdf: Declaration of G. Pellerin (Santa Cruz ROV)
• Decl._of_J._Canciamilla_(Contra_Costa).pdf: Decl. of J. Canciamilla (Contra Costa ROV)
• Decl._of_J._Lavine_(Sac).pdf: Declaration of J. Lavine (Sac ROV)
• Decl._of_M._Bedard_(Kern).pdf: Declaration of M. Bedard (Kern ROV)
• Decl._of_N._Kelley_(Orange).pdf: Declaration of N. Kelley (Orange ROV)
• Decl._of_W._Rousseau_(Sonoma).pdf: Declaration of W. Rousseau (Sonoma ROV)
• Decl._of_T._Barry.pdf: Declaration of County Counsel Attorney Tim Barry
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http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1661
Registrar of Voters Lawsuit Tutorial
Citizens Oversight (2016-06-26) Ray Lutz
This Page: http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1661
Media Link: https://youtu.be/X_Xn4nQK1sE
Try watching this video on http://www.youtube.com ….
Hearing Reminder
• July 6, 1:30pm
• San Diego Superior Court, 220 W. Broadway
• Dept. C-73, (West annex, 6th Floor)
VU!!!! I was wondering if anyone would post about San Diego!
Story from 2007—Vu went from Cuyahoga County Ohio to San Diego assistant ROV (ROV from Diebold), now he’s been promoted to ROV:
Another story:
Then he was promoted to San Diego’s ROV. That’s all I know, that and I don’t trust my vote was counted.
I don’t think it was merely incompetence. I’m sure Padilla did a bunch of illegal stuff on his end. But I figured the documentary probably addresses all of that. Does it cover how people were allowed to bring the scanners home with them?
I wanted to cover the overly complicated materials and process, because I don’t see that discussed enough as a factor. The more complicated it is, the more it disenfranchises less regular voters and voters making less mainstream choices. And the stress it puts on the volunteers ALSO acts as an additional block to less regular voters or less mainstream candidates, who don’t get the help they need and are often mishandled. Even well-intentioned volunteers struggle to explain everything, file everything, sort everything. People were getting shoved to provisional ballots just because the volunteers were forgetting to check the blue pages at the back, after going through their numerous other steps for each voter’s many, many possible issues and options. Perhaps the career civil servants in the registrars office could handle all that detail smoothly. But they’re not in the voter-facing position.
And again, this was simply ridiculous. The ONLY difference at any given precinct was the presidential primary line. Yet we had about a dozen different ballots to deal with (these three parties you can cross over, these nine you can’t, you left your VBM at home? No, you have to surrender it. No, you can’t take the Democratic ballot it has to be this other one that’s identical except for the pattern, no you can’t put it here it has to go here, no you can’t sign this, you have to sign this — oh you signed this? You have to dig it out and we have to void it and do this one instead. Oh, you need to show an ID, but not you, you get to vote curbside, but not you), plus the audio booth option, and the regular sign-in which the provisionals COULD NOT sign on — they had to sign this OTHER thing, plus the strike-through books manually kept updated in triplicate just so parties could (but never did) stop by to see who had voted for GOTV.
It was this tremendous act of theater, showily displaying a devout reverence for the sanctity of voting, while achieving the opposite: confusion, suppression, and a lovely distraction from all the truly nefarious stuff Padilla had quietly done ahead of time. I had voters sobbing in front of me that they had tried and tried to correct their registration, and yet here they were, registered to a party they had never belonged to, or set up as a Vote By Mailer when they had never requested it and had tried and tried to change their status, and now they could not vote for the candidate of their choice.
And we’re supposed to be one of the better states.
I most definitely do not believe it was incompetence, at least not in the upper echelons. If some lowly poll volunteers plucked off the street the day before the primary didn’t know what they were doing, I believe that was by design. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
My point was that this pattern keeps turning up in the Clinton campaign. The latest iteration is the State Department’s claim that it needs two years to turn over e-mails in the Citizens United FOIA case, their excuse being that they are swamped and understaffed, and that someone(s) initially made a mistake in calculating how many files were involved. Clinton herself started it, with her insistence that gosh, she thought it was fine to have private email, because everyone else did it, and gee, she wasn’t very tech savvy, and golly, in looking back it was a mistake.
Anyway, I feel your pain. In Washington, we have caucuses, and even though the coordinator in my precinct was a Bernie supporter, the logistics were determined by the State Dems. Parking was totally inadequate and the location wasn’t remotely big enough for the 20 precincts that were lumped together. My precinct ended up outside in an open field, standing in two inches of mud for nearly three hours, with no way to hear instructions, total confusion, and mounting frustration with the coordinator, who was making up her own rules as she went along and disqualified some people who turned in their ballots and left. I later found out it was perfectly legal. Bernie won, but he would have gained an extra delegate or two if the thing had been run properly. It’s hard to believe that wasn’t by design, as Washington State Dems all endorsed Hillary early on and essentially told angry constituents to %&$* off. We had a primary later by mail-in ballot that didn’t count, and Hillary won that. No way in hell I believe that Bernie’s win by more than 40 points in the caucuses turned into a win for Hillary in a mail-in vote.
California voter here. I’ve reported this before but will repeat it in this thread.
One member of our household received a Democratic Party VBM ballot even though they were registered NPP and have voted in previous elections as NPP. So somehow their registration was changed.
For my spouse and myself, this was our first VBM election as NPP voters. In the past, a sample,ballot is sent in advance of the election. When the sample ballot had not arrived, I got worried that there was something wrong with our registration. Online records showed us as registered NPP. While checking status, that was when I discovered that for VBM, we needed to specifically request the Democratic Party ballot. There were two different online forms. One through the state and one through the county. Fortunately, we used the correct application and requested ballots through the County. Had I placed the request through the state, it might have prevented us from getting ballots I time.
This information was not easy to find the first time around.
While waiting for the Democractic VBM ballots, our NPP VBM ballots arrived with the sample ballot booklet. On the outside of the booklet is a postcard to request a party specific VBM ballot that was yet a third application form that didn’t match the previous two.
Finally, our Democratic VBM ballots arrived. We filled out the ballots, and mailed them back and were able to later check that the ballots had been processed.
Overall, the process was chaotic, inconsistent, badly publicized, and a waste of resources. Why not just send a postcard/application ahead of time to NPP voters so that they can request a party specific ballot? It would have saved postage and paper as well as printing costs and handling expenses.
Remember the good old days when we only had to worry about people hacking the soft ware in the voting or tallying machines
Yes, even though rogue agents routinely penetrate the government, banks, major corps and the like, it’s good to know there’s no way they could ever compromise 10-20 year old unsecured machines running outdated software.
In full contrast to this event is the Australian election on Saturday, where the race is so tight and a prospect of a hung parliament, that paper ballots on still contested seats must be forensically examined before a result is known.
This is estimated to take a week at least and could take up to a month.
Disheveled Marsupial…. regardless of political party or other sundry sociopolitical affiliations what is happening in the US should be allowed to occur… first it was attacking the core of capitalism wrt property rights in the RE debacle and now some fiddle with the representation aspect… what else but the word traitor defines these acts…. makes ones ass cry…
Can I just confirm how simple and democratic voting is here in Australia. You pick your favorite, second favorite, third favorite, fourth favorite, etc, and can go all the way down the list to the Science Party, the High Speed Rail Party, or even the Sex Party. The parties themselves all have “preferences”, in other words other parties they want their votes to go to if their party doesn’t win a seat. So when counting they start at the bottom: “if the Sex Party doesn’t win a seat, their votes roll up to the Hunting and Fishing Party, if they don’t win a seat, their votes roll up to the Labor Party”, and on and on. Then after everything if one party does not get >50% of seats (like we have now), they may try and form a “minority government” which means they do deals with other parties on specific issues (“you roll your votes up to our party and we commit to support your pet issue”).
I’m beaming today because I feel my policy preferences got represented in a really granular and representative way. Long live the Westminster system! Yes the sausage-making can be complex but it’s the complete opposite of the big One Party machine system in the US.
Who are The People to turn to fix this huge election-fixing conspiracy? What person? What agency? When the whole system is rigged, from the President, to the presumptive next President, from the (In)justice Department, to the greatest “fixer” in the world. There is not a Leader in the world who won’t pick up the phone immediately when told “it’s Bill Clinton calling.” From Pope Francis to Xi Jinping, from George Soros to Larry Paige, from Kim Jong-un to the Congo’s Joseph Kabila. Clinton’s forcing himself onto Loretta Lynch wasn’t a misstep, it was Bubba giving the world the finger, including, “in your face,” Obama. It was Bill saying, “this shitt’s gone on long enough.” “Who’s gonna do something about it, you, Barry?” Everybody’s scared shittless. And, when Hillary is sworn in it’ll be, “fait accompli.” Then, there will be only one left standing in the way, the one Hillary has waited so long to show who’s got the biggest set of balls in the world……Vladimir Putin.
I do believe we’re witnessing America’s first real coup d’état, followed by WW3.
Maybe those preppers & survivalist we laughed at for so long weren’t so stupid after all.
“..preppers & survivalists we laughed at for so long..” Who is “we”? Anyway, this could just be Bill being Bill, or it could have been a coordination meeting between the two parties. Not sure I buy Loretta Lynch as an innocent victim in this.
America’s first and only real coup d’etat occurred on November 22, 1963. Rigging the election for Killary doesn’t count and neither do stealing the 2000 and 2004 elections for Shrub. All three of those are or were about maintaining the existing order not overthrowing it.
Who are We The People to turn to? Each other. It will take just a small determined and committed minority to tip over this huge steaming pile of billionaire corporo-fascism. And I don’t mean via the voting booth.
I’m another frustrated California voter who did not succeed to vote for Sanders — blocked by rules.
In the future the thing to do may be to leaflet polling places with a brochure warning voters about these scams.
Why not head the shenanigans off at the pass and register as a Democrat?
Why should they have to?
As I mentioned, this was our first experience with VBM as NPP. In the past, just simply requested a Democratic ballot at the polls. We thought VBM would be more convenient and ensure we didn’t miss voting due to a schedule conflict (travel for work, etc)
There are ways around that, as we saw in New York State. In Brooklyn alone, 130,000 voters were “accidentally” switched from Democratic registration to something else. Oops.
In 6 Illinois counties, there weren’t enough Democratic ballots for all of the people who wanted to vote in the Democratic primary.
In Maricopa County, Arizona, some voters had to wait up to 5 hours to vote.
And then there are the computerized voting systems that lack a paper trail. Somehow, Hillary Clinton performed better in jurisdictions with such systems than Sanders did. Well, gosh!
My girlfriend was one of those 130,000. She was given a provisional ballot. We did get a letter from the board of elections this week saying that her ballot for Bernie was counted. Of course, a couple months late.
She’s lucky. I don’t think the “excess” Democratic voters in the 6 Illinois counties ever got a chance to vote. And the people who are forced to use a totally automated voting system with no paper trail have no way of knowing whether their vote is counted or not.
Please read the post or watch the video. Registered Democrats had their registrations changed.
Thanks, Catherine A and NC. Respect for the ones who made it through the process. Condolences to those who didn’t. Fury for the ones who set it up.
And I was worried about postal votes being manipulated in the Brexit vote!
The Democrats may just find they have a very divisive convention, caused, in part, by schemes such as these, seen to be rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton. Not to mention, Trump’s “Crooked Hillary” label is going to stick precisely because it should! The Democrats need to seriously rethink their nominee, and fast.
Bernie needs to boycott the convention, he’s at risk of leaving no legacy at all whereas he could be the one who inserts the wedge once and for all in the One Party system. Leave it to the rest of us to hammer the wedge home.
Yes he should boycott Philly.
No, Bernie should make a great big stink in Philly. He needs to bear witness to all the bad behavior and call it out as it happens. Only by Bernie pointing out the deceit in real time will people be forced to ask themselves:
Is this party really the lesser of two evils?
Is there really no alternative?
The best way to insert the wedge is to show up with his delegates and force floor fights on all the policies Hillary is blocking. Not all Clinton delegates are as bad as Clinton. Some Clinton delegates were honorable allies to the abused, disenfranchised Bernie delegates in Nevada, for example. We could conceivably get opposition to TPP passed from the floor, and if not, show the anti-democratic maneuvers being used to block it.
He has to go to the convention. If you can help donate to get his delegates there, please do. Boycotting gives her the smooth coronation she desires. Do you think there would be media coverage if he boycotts? I’m sure they’ll do their best to avoid covering floor fights. But being there, testifying for Democratic policies and processes, putting Clinton and her courtiers in the awkward position of openly acting against them — this is a necessary (although not sufficient) condition to breaking open the system.
It’s all made much worse by the biggest vote getter saying “I will support the NOMINEE”, much the same as declaring “Bu**er me now bubba, ahm ready!” If Sanders does not run independently or as a greenie, he will show himself as the
biggest simp and fool of 2016.
Illegitimate voting process = Illegitimate election = Illegitimate candidate.
Having states run primary elections was an early 20th century idea. Not surprisingly, the Depublicrat duopoly has adapted the rules to lock in their cozy duopoly and its preferred candidates.
State-run partisan primaries are an illegitimate subsidy to private political parties. If states ran proxy voting for Apple, General Electric and Exxon Mobil, the abusive scam would be obvious.
Nothing but a wide-open nonpartisan primary meets the test of public interest.
Convict the Democrat and Republican parties on racketeering charges, seize their assets, jail their leaders, and close them down. These two organizations are criminal gangs.
Jim.
Appreciate your comment and proposal, particularly as it relates to addressing the broader context.
The DNC no longer cares about elections because they’ve already decided via their superior skillz and meritocratic brilliance. Elections are now a sideshow and it’s become too much work to maintain the magic trickses. Thus brazen carelessness, pettifoggery and obvious fraud.
Don’t forget the fact that the DNC no longer care if they win, nothing changes on K Street, Wall St, the revolving door, the cushy MIC jobs, the Acela echo chamber.
When looking at multiple years of actual voter registration databases in several locations, BlackBoxVoting.org discovered multiple cases of massive manipulations to voter registers. For example, voters’ race being changed en masse (e.g., 12,000 voters’ race being changed in one instance), voters’ party affiliation being changed, or voters’ voting history being changed (e.g., changing their voting record to indicate they hadn’t voted in previous elections, so they would be purged). This was possible to see as she was able to compare successive years of the databases in question.
Changing voters’ race is interesting because the illegal program code Bev Harris discovered shows the ability to reduce or increase a vote’s “weight” based on any combination of criteria in the specific database–race, address, zipcode, voting history, etc. Details in the Fraction Magic report.
“Voter’s race”?
Why vould anyone need to register something like that for voting?
Besides, if there was a single lesson from the 20’th century, it is not to register something that will save work for the SS!
Good question! This is determined by each state. Some states offer a field to indicate race on their voter registration form. Others do not.
Perhaps this goes back to the Supreme Court decisions for some states where there was proven to have been historic gerrymandering based on race. Perhaps those states felt they needed a way to prove this was no longer the case.
The Democratic Party worked hard to create a progessive one party state and they have succeeded. It seems a bit churlish to begrudge them the prerogatives and privileges of their dominance.
well it’s not “progressive” though the meanings of the labels are fluid, and let’s not forget the republicans, who deserve equal credit for fixing the results. but they’re all one party as far as i’m concerned, and this crap is infuriating and sickening.
I’ve been voting in San Francisco for 19 years. For the first time my vote was contested because my present signature did not match the 19-year-old signature on file. Ironic because my wife and I went to City Hall and cast our ballots early to avoid any problems we feared would happen at our polling place. I have been registered NPP for years, my wife switched to Democratic Party for this election and had no problem. I specifically asked for a Democratic ballot, which is what I received. Two days later I got a call saying my vote would not be counted unless I contested my signature within three days, which I did. According to the SF Board of Elections officer my vote would now be counted but I’ll admit skepticism.
The California Democrat primary fiasco is why the races are normally advertized-into-reality by the msm as being so close. It makes it easier to skew the results, electronically or by human intervention (as in California) if necessary.
This is why the media is suddenly making a slight turn regarding Trump and declaring that he is starting to get serious in his campaign. In this case it also corresponds to real events, but were it not for the desire (instructions from above) to show the race tightening, the msm would simply ignore the events until the reality of Trump catching up became false.
The purpose? Every election cycle is now “close”, a cliff hanger, ostensibly – for those inclined to notice the obvious but not go much deeper – to increase the drama and thus garner viewers. But in reality, it is to mold the election into a process that is controllable by the powers that be, each and every time. A controllable election is one that can be manipulated by corrupt software and by corrupt party leaders and these in conjunction with corrupt media. Even with all the above, it is very difficult and probably considered very risky to do this when the media portrays the race as a sure thing for one candidate or another. Once the spread goes over 5%, it is like drawing the curtain back on the man sitting there pulling the levers.
Control is one of the most important psychological motivations there is for the ruling elite. They are literally horrified of loosing it which is one of the reasons Brexit is such a humongous deal.
The “Strip and Flip” book authors made the point that in order for vote flipping (or presumably vote weighting as well) one must also first purge a lot of voters from the list. So it is unfortunately common to both stripping and flipping, and each is accomplished by a multiplicity of methods.
UNCOUNTED shows some of these methods–but there are even more! (And the methods using the vote counting computers, or the hacked voting machine cards, cannot be “seen” with our eyes in most cases, as access to inspecting the software code is prohibited by various laws, and/or code is written in such a way that different code exists depending on the date.)
It’s challenging for activists to document in a way that connects directly to the perpetrator, as many of the methods are designed so that there is plausible deniability as incompetence (some legitimately, but the overall patterns make this questionable), or simply calling voting machine/counting machine issues “glitches” (i.e., nothing to see here, move along). With the latter, the recent BlackBoxVoting.org report has pulled back the veil.
‘Control is one of the most important psychological motivations there is for the ruling elite. They are literally horrified of loosing it which is one of the reasons Brexit is such a humongous deal.’
Except they didn’t lose control – the ruling elite that is – not even close. Ranks were almost instantly closed in support of Cameron and ‘stability’ as mediated shock and horror were re-directed onto Corbyn, falsely charged with ‘losing’ it for Remain, immediately, effectively taking out the Leader of the Opposition when Corbyn in a normal world could’ve been getting big media coverage and popular support barbecuing Cameron demanding an immediate election – this all in the vital first hours to the end of the first week. This fabulous elite-created lie (among others) instead was eagerly embraced by an also elite-led, totally disgraced and discredited fossil Labour Party faction a la what Democrats/media did with Sanders. A new vote would virtually certainly reverse the result today, and it is now widely presumed shocks will be avoided like a plague. So the UK is fine for now, and the only lesson learned by the lesser elite is “Boy, are we Brits ever great crisis managers.” But:
The vote instantly put the fate of Europe as a whole and Germany in particular in the hands of Cameron to make or break. It so happens that the UK and US are far closer on questions of money and war than the Europeans and on each the US has two words: cough up. The US really, really wants: that ‘trade’ deal for Monsanto, Google and the rest of the Club; to tie down Germany forever either with debt or major, permanent financial transfers; most of all, that they shut up and follow orders when it comes to Putin, the war on terror, Israel, or anything else Washington or Wall Street directs. The hardliners are almost beside themselves in anticipation of Clinton as Commander In Chief and they just can’t help getting a little bit ahead of themselves.
Carefully controlling the spread can also have advantages with ensuring that results do not trigger certain state laws regarding so-called “audits”–or that any such “audits” can be controlled.
The scare-quotes are important because in actuality what is carried out is an inspection of a small percent of ballots, and the rules vary considerably, and often aren’t followed. Ohio 2004 is a good example, and the Ohio results determined the general election result.
If you want to know more, Richard Hayes Phillips’ interesting talks on this subject are extraordinary. Here’s one, which he gave to share his experience with election integrity people in Arizona.
Was registered as No Party Preference. Wanted to vote for Sanders.
Got the usual ballot in the mail.
Went to registrar’s office, surrendered my NPP ballot AND the envelope it came in.
Was handed a Democratic ballot and voted right there in the Marin County registrar’s office.
A week later, received another NPP ballot in the mail. Am wondering if my vote done on the spot in the registrar’s office was even counted.
Talked to a homeless guy in a supermarket. He told me that he had been hired as a poll worker. “Better than giving blood”. He’s registered out of shelter mailing address. This is in the wealthiest, most highly educated county in California and probably the entire West Coast.
Thanks to NC for distributing to a broader audience and really everything y’all do. Watching this only provided me further evidence of the election charade we go through to provide authenticity to our “democracy”. I’m glad more and more people have their eyes open now and hope the July coronation event in Philadelphia is widely protested as the sham it really is.
When I vote:
I do not have to register with any political party beforehand;
I do not have to fill in forms for this and that;
I receive an information card with my name and address and the polling station to go to;
I go into the polling station, give the identifying card to the registration officer;
I am then told how to mark my ballot and how to put it into the box;
I go by myself with no one within about 6 yards of me to secretly mark my ballot for a candidate from the list of four or five people running;
I leave without being asked any questions about how I voted.
And I only have to do that once per election (not twice).
Simple!
That is great!
Then one has to just inquire about the ballot transportation (chain of custody–are the ballots observed by multiple independent people at all times? Are they stored in a way that’s secure? and ballot counting aspects of the system (no machines? or optical scans of all ballots made available simultaneously to all citizens?
(And presumably your voter registration / voter database system is ok so far. It would be no harm to learn more.)
Ballots are looked after by a Deputy Returning Officer who helps the Poll Clerk count the ballots, and the Central Poll Supervisor manages the collection and return of polling boxes. Ballots are on paper to be counted and recounted if necessary. See here.
Fair elections and easy voting. That’s what we have here in little New Zealand. We have to register to vote and there are constant reminders in the media encouraging it. We can join any political party, but this has nothing to do with the voting process on the day. We enter the booth, mark a paper ballot and place it in the box. For the main party elections, all counting is usually completed within a few hours of the polling places closing. It is government-run, but there are scrutineers from each major party monitoring the vote count. Vote count fraud is unknown to us. We don’t always get the leaders or policies we want and voter turnout is not ideal, but there are no restrictions or impediments to voting.
After reading your first post JEHR, I thought what country do you live. Hitting the link in your second post explains it all–Canada. Oh Canada…teach us the way!
After reading your first post JEHR, I asked myself what country do you live in? Hitting the link in your second post explains it all–Canada. Oh Canada…teach us the way! What must you think of your neighbor to the south?
That’s what my experience in the last Canadian election was too. On the other hand, unlike the homeless California man mentioned in an earlier comment I wasn’t able to get hired as a poll worker in our election. Swings and roundabouts. As for what we think of our neighbor to the south… well, a lot of people I know have regained a lot of respect for the U.S. from seeing how much work people have done to advance the Sanders platform and how far you managed to get in the face of ferocious opposition from the Democrat party and most of the media. I figure you must be a pretty resilient people to put up with campaigns that seem to be perpetually underway and campaign coverage which is 90% pure B.S. Being able to endure an election process which gives new, more intense meaning to the word “Byzantine” without snapping is pretty impressive too.
I’ve seen this film going around but finally watched it. I was also a pollworker that day. A bunch of us EI (election integrity) people in LA decided to be pollworkers around 2008. My particular precinct was not as big a mess as many because I live in a pretty non-transient area. But these problems are all familiar from what I saw and heard from others. And what no one in the film remember is that the 2008 primary was also a giant mess. So Dean Logan, the Registrar, fixed one thing but broke a lot more. At any rate, I used to regularly go to the meetings at the Registrar but stopped a few years ago. I will go to this one. To any in Los Angeles area please show up here and make your complaints known to Dean Logan, LA’s Registrar: There’s a cafeteria at the Registrar’s building in Norwalk – ask anyone where it is. I will be there before this meeting if anyone wants to say hello. I will have a red plaid purse sitting on the table. I hope to swam this meeting with plenty of people.
Dear CVOC Members and City Clerks,
Happy Summer!
Save the date. The next Community Voter Outreach Committee (CVOC) meeting will be on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. This meeting will be held at the Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk Headquarters, 12400 Imperial Highway, Norwalk, in the 7th Floor Executive Conference Room. A meeting notice with proposed agenda will be emailed to you later.
If you have any topics that you would like to discuss during the meeting, please email or contact me at (562) 462-2754. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Julia Keh
Special Services Liaison
Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk
(562) 462-2754
One of many lawsuits:
http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1658
Lutz vs. Vu — Complaint for Declaratory Relief
Citizens Oversight (2016-06-16) Ray Lutz
This Page: http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1658
PLEASE NOTE
This action was subsequently modified to request for injunctive relief, and now is being handled by former Asst. City Attorney Alan Geraci. Hearing to occur in San Diego Superior Court, July 6, 2016, 1:30pm Dept C-73.
On June 16, 2016, the following “Complaint for Declaratory Relief” was filed by Ray Lutz against San Diego Registrar of Voters Michael Vu and his supervisor, Helen N. Robbins-Meyer, Chief Administrative Officer of San Diego County. This was served to the County Counsel at 12:35pm, and we attempted to serve Micheal Vu directly at 2:35pm but he refused to accept it, so we threw it on the floor at his office.
What is this about
The San Diego Registrar of Voters (SDROV) and many other election districts in California are not complying with the law regarding the 1% manual tally. They are leaving out a vast number of Vote by mail (VBM) ballots that were still to be processed after election day, and also the many provisionals.
• Video Tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Xn4nQK1sE
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Header of the filed complaint:
Initial Complaint, filed Pro Per by Ray Lutz
• Lutz_vs_Vu_–_Complaint_for_Declaratory_Relief.pdf: Main complaint, Lutz vs. Vu
• Lutz_vs_Vu_–_Complaint_for_Declaratory_Relief_-_EXHIBITS.pdf: Lutz vs Vu — Complaint for Declaratory Relief — Exhibits
http://www.copswiki.org/w119/pub/Common/M1658/Lutz_vs_Vu_–_Complaint_for_Declaratory_Relief_-_EXHIBITS.pdf
First Amended Complaint. Filed 2016-06-24 by Attorney Alan Geraci. Citizens Oversight added as a plaintiff
• Lutz_vs_Vu_–_FAC_06212016.pdf: First Amended Complaint
• Decl_Ray_Lutz.pdf: FAC – Decl of Ray Lutz
• NOL_Exhibits.pdf: FAC – Exhibits
• Notice_Motion.pdf: FAC – Notice Motion
• POS.pdf: FAC – Proof of Service
• Ps_and_As.pdf: FAC – Points and Authorities
County response, filed on 2016-06-30
• Defendants_Opposition_to_Mtn_for_Prelim_Injunction-PA.pdf: County Response —
Opposition to Motion, Points and Authorities
• Defendants_Req_for_Judicial_Ntce.pdf: Def. Request for Official Notice
• Evidentiary_Objections_to_Decl._of_R._Lutz.pdf: Objections to Ray Lutz declaration
• NTCE_of_Lodgmnt.pdf: County Response exhibits
• Decl._of_M._Vu.pdf: Declaration of Michael Vu
• Dec_of_J._Lean_(SOS).pdf: Declaration of J. Lean of SOS office
• Dec_of_D._Logan_(LA).pdf: Declaration of Dean Logan (LA ROV)
• Dec_of_G._Pellerin_(Santa_Cruz).pdf: Declaration of G. Pellerin (Santa Cruz ROV)
• Decl._of_J._Canciamilla_(Contra_Costa).pdf: Decl. of J. Canciamilla (Contra Costa ROV)
• Decl._of_J._Lavine_(Sac).pdf: Declaration of J. Lavine (Sac ROV)
• Decl._of_M._Bedard_(Kern).pdf: Declaration of M. Bedard (Kern ROV)
• Decl._of_N._Kelley_(Orange).pdf: Declaration of N. Kelley (Orange ROV)
• Decl._of_W._Rousseau_(Sonoma).pdf: Declaration of W. Rousseau (Sonoma ROV)
• Decl._of_T._Barry.pdf: Declaration of County Counsel Attorney Tim Barry
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http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1661
Registrar of Voters Lawsuit Tutorial
Citizens Oversight (2016-06-26) Ray Lutz
This Page: http://www.copswiki.org/Common/M1661
Media Link: https://youtu.be/X_Xn4nQK1sE
Try watching this video on http://www.youtube.com ….
Hearing Reminder
• July 6, 1:30pm
• San Diego Superior Court, 220 W. Broadway
• Dept. C-73, (West annex, 6th Floor)
What happened at the hearing? I don’t see an update on the Citizens Oversight page.
Now I see an update:
Right now court link says:
No Tentative Ruling is found that matches Case Number 2016-00020273
(Wondering if this has potential to change San Diego election result?)
Still no ruling on the election/vote count case against San Diego ROV Michael Vu heard July 6. Is this important?
Still no ruling on case against San Diego registrar of voters requesting injunctive relief, filed in June after the primary, heard in Superior Court July 6.
SoS says “semi-official results”
Until somebody explains otherwise, I think this IS an important case. Because my vote and everyone else’s.
STILL no ruling in Lutz vs Vu, the case against the San Diego registrar of voters, seeking injunctive relief.
It is my belief now, and may I be proven wrong, but I feel that the entire election is a scripted reality television show.
First, as in my belief that one ought always build on strengths, The Southern Strategy where the NYTs is an underground paper. Losing track of the years, since Clinton played the Saxophone. (Soon we will see Hillary holding a basketball somewhere. Better yet baby of basketball player who gives her a basketball she throws.), after Iowa the Clintons take the Southern States and all those delegates.
There was the Draft Warren movement that in my judgement served to delay Senator Sanders, who simply abandoned the South anyway, which is C.S.A. more than Labor. (If it was Labor, race, the great divider, would not matter.) For Hillary feminism replaces race, in the South.
Then what but the Sanders wins, just enough to raise indebted students or soon to be indebted students, hopes. Sanders takes off to see the people around the Pope signaling he is above politics while running for the position above the Pope. (He is a great man, I am just a little man.) -Apocalypse Now
Sanders loses NY, where is Wall St. and then he wins a few states while all along now locked up super delegates, or lobbyist plants are numbered over and over till AP announces a perfect count Secret but perfect, showing that a Sanders win of the most populous state would not matter anyway.
Just forget about it and stay home. (All evidence shows no chances of a Sanders win were to be taken.)
Then Wash. DC.
Now the drama is kept alive, we are kept watching, she might be indicted! The Platform Might Matter, There IS a Draft! Opposite of super delegates, The Platform might matter!
So this week, what do you think?
Already the evidence, emails are not to be seen for 27 months. I am supposed to guess? (It is to keep even an unbeliever interested. Even if indicted I am certain she will be exonerated which would make the whole thing great, since then she would go into the election a cleared winner while it was all just heating up far as Trump the contestant in the wrestling ring, who will lose.)
So then the Clintons move into the White House, the TPP is Fixed! -and the world is made safe for Goldman Sachs.
P.S. I only went past the first sentence for fun.
x10
why have a federal death penalty on the books when the statute is not applicable to the architects and implementors of vote tampering and election fraud?
we are taught that free and fair elections are the very cornerstone of our so-called democracy.
what should be the penalty for the deliberate covert destruction of the very basis of our democratic system?
what should be the penalty for this deliberate destruction done by american citizens?
the damage done is an undeclared act of war, an electoral drone strike.
the damage done is arguably worse than that of 9/11.
rightly, these people should be declared ‘enemy combatants’ and tried for capital treasonous offenses.
i am not joking.
This is the Shock Doctrine at its finest – UK/US have EU/Germany/Deutchebank by the short hairs.
A basic point about the US political system is being missed here. These elections are supposed to be *party* primaries, but in fact are held just like general elections, publicly financed and regulated by *the state*. See anything wrong with the picture?
This is not actually a “party” candidate selection process. Primaries are merely the first of two general elections for President. Because they are publicly funded, there should be *no* restriction on how individuals vote, just as there are none in the November election. All “primaries” should be open primaries, period. The rest is a charade that claims the U.S. has “political parties”. It doesn’t.
The Democrat politicians are the main obstacle here. In California the Republicans are now a permanent minority, and it was the Democrat Legislature that protected the Republicans by *excepting* the POTUS election from open primaries, because they know a bunch of independents could vote for the RINO, rather than the hard right nutjob the apparatchiki prefer. So they used the same artificial restriction against Sanders. Likewise the Democrats are the main barrier to an easy fix to the Electoral College problem: distribute the EC votes in proportion to the direct vote. How EC votes are cast is entirely up to the state legislatures, but that would result in the breakup of the “big blue state EC blocs” like California and New York. No democratic representation from these “democrats”!
The U.S. POTUS primary system is a key piece of evidence for the characterization of the U.S. political system as an *anti-party* system. Independently self-regulating political *parties* ARE NOT PERMITTED in the U.S. system. That’s why 3rd parties never get anywhere, indeed that’s why only in the U.S. is “3rd party” a “thing”. A thing for losers.
So what do we have in the USA? We have 2 *state-sponsored* electoral marketing arms of the same single invisible Capitalist Anti-Party, USA, an anti-party that secures its position by exercising a *complete* monopoly of public office. The USA is a complete State political system. Its POTUS selection is an undemocratic Bonapartist plebiscite. It’s a cruel joke to ever refer to it as “democratic”.
That is a corporate finance/military-industrial state and empire political system I should think – from this distance, at any rate.
From Richard Charnin:
In CA on Election Day, Hillary led by 56.37- 43.63%.
Since Election Day, Bernie leads by 52.29 – 47.71%
There is a 17% discrepancy between votes counted on Election Day and votes counted later.
Sanders’ vote share increased over his Election Day share in every county.
STRIP and FLIP. It’s not just the STRIPPED provisionals.
It’s also about votes FLIPPED in cyberspace
Period…………..Total………………Sanders……….Clinton
Election Day…. 3,442,623……..1,502,043……..1,940,580
Share……………………………………43.63%…………56.37%
Current………….5,039,137………2,336,785……..2,702,352
………………………………………………46.37%………..53.63%
Change…………1,596,514…………834,742………..761,772
………………………………………………52.29%…………47.71%
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sGxtIofohrj3POpwq-85Id2_fYKgvgoWbPZacZw0XlY/edit#gid=1323002420
naked capitalism, thank you!!
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For some further insight into the complexities of coordinating vote by mail and polling place ballots, see
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/editorial/ci_30119605/editorial-california-double-voting-abuse-must-be-stopped
which explains how voters are able to vote twice, either inadvertently (people generally don’t remember) or on purpose.