One of the ongoing frustrations in being (of necessity) a heavy consumer of what passes for media in the US is how insistent and disconnected the official narrative is with conditions on the ground. The crushing effects of protracted unemployment are hard to understand unless you’ve been there. It’s a form of hot state v. cold state cognitive bias. People who are in a “hot” state (enraged, romantically obsessed) can’t get themselves into a more sober state of mind, and people who aren’t currently possessed by these moods (cold state) find it hard to relate to them. It’s frustrating to hear economists, finance touts, and the hackocracy natter on about how the economy is getting better, just not as quickly as we’d like. And then you see the occasional toad hopping out of an official mouth. From Bloomberg (hat tip Michael Thomas):
Rising stock prices, rebounding profits, restored dividends and a growing economy are signaling to U.S. banks it’s time for more job cuts.
What is conveniently omitted by the people who interact with the world mainly through data are the real, lasting costs of unemployment and low wages. This BBC documentary gives a much-needed counterpoint. Hat tip furzy mouse:
Thanks for this, Yves.
Long life to you, and keep up the noble work!
Agnreed. It’s a shame that some people count and other simply do not count as if they didn’t exist.
first article i saw this morning: Police discover hidden underground tunnels used by the homeless
Police said they were especially concerned about a pile of dirty diapers discovered next to one of the underground tunnels. “We’re working to find out if, in fact, they’ve got kids down here, because this is not a safe environment for that,”
Not a safe environment for “that”? The tending to children? What is it safe for? Also, the homeless people “got kids down there”? They are not in fact homeless children?
If only all the homeless people at the camp were kids, and thus become The Children, Who Are The Future, In The War Against The Sino Menace, then people might actually give a shit.
Children belong to the Community, not their parents; especially not if they are homeless.
Don’t you know that?
if they survive after being fleeced an kicked to the curb they become adults of the community…blojob
This reminds me, I haven’t heard a thing about increasing the minimum wage since the SOTU. Figures.
According to UNICEF, 23.1% of American children under the age of seventeen live in poverty, which makes the United States rank second out of thirty-five economically advanced countries ranked in that category. Romania ranks first, with 25.5% of children living in poverty.
http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/the-u-s-ranks-2nd-in-child-poverty-2/
***Even more important is the argument in principle. Because
children have only one opportunity to develop normally in mind and body, the commitment to protection from poverty must be upheld in good times and in bad. A society that fails to maintain that commitment, even in difficult economic times, is a society that is failing its most vulnerable citizens and storing up intractable social and economic problems for the years immediately ahead.***
http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc10_eng.pdf
What a weary time those years were — to have the desire and the need to live but not the ability. Charles Bukowski
The government should focus less on how to measure child poverty and more on how to eradicate it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-21462601
Nearly 16 million children in the United States – 22% of all children – live in families with incomes below the federal poverty level – $23,021 a year for a family of four. Research shows that, on average, families need an income of about twice that level to cover basic expenses. Using this standard, 45% of children live in low-income families.
http://www.nccp.org/topics/childpoverty.html
There’s no way that Michael Jackson or whoever Jackson should have a million thousand droople billion dollars and then there’s people starving. There’s no way! There’s no way that these people should own planes and there people don’t have houses. Apartments. Shacks. Drawers. Pants! I know you’re rich. I know you got 40 billion dollars, but can you just keep it to one house? You only need ONE house. And if you only got two kids, can you just keep it to two rooms? I mean why have 52 rooms and you know there’s somebody with no room?! It just don’t make sense to me. It don’t. Tupac
You should probably read Dr. Zhivago
been there done that decades ago…Your Point?
“Since when were people entitled to pants, or underpants for that matter. The Constitution doesn’t contain the word “pants”. a Scalia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphgHi6FD8k
all you got is Huey with an agenda??
let me guess…your momma reared you on the American Fairytale…
‘oooooo babydoll don’t speak of the man’s drooper wealth, someday you too can be drooper wealthy…its free to anyone that works hard enuff’
it’s in your face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdcT0mtdg20
Let’s say you are in an industry that skims the market, like banking, and you make millions by misallocating capital, should you pay taxes that would redistribute that excess income? Of course not, because you deserve every penny and the others should have made better choices when choosing a career..
Let’s say you are a plastic surgeon who raked in millions thanks to the credit/real estate bubble and people living above their means using the fake equity in their homes to pay you, should you pay taxes to redistribute? Of course not, you worked hard and deserve to keep every penny.
I could go on and on as every sector of the economy has been impacted by this misallocation of capital. No one wants to pay taxes or redistribute because everyone feels they deserve their money when the reality is that the true value of work has been lost in the process.
Maybe one of the solutions is to have corporate taxes that are based on the difference between CEO pay and the lowest paid employees.
Great idea. Could you create a formula with some representative examples?
As soon as I finish my 10k page book with 8K pages of citations, I’ll post the link!
I actually do think it’s an excellent idea, and one that should be of medium difficulty to set metrics to. I hope it does stick.
It will just push CEO pay further off W2 and into option scams and consulting fee siphons
I know it drives a lot of people nuts because everyone wants proof or citations, but right now I’m in the phase of shooting all kinds of ideas and seeing what sticks.
I just find that everyone keeps on rehashing past failed formulas and unproven new ideas instantly get slammed down because they are unproven.
I’m not saying that my idea is wonderful, I’m just trying to start a conversation.
Research is important but you’ve got to find a hypothesis first.
In Switz. we will vote on the 1/12 initiative. The highest salary in a biz / entity etc. would be limited to 12x that of the lowest paid employees. It looks very popular in the polls right now (70+ % favorable) but I’m not sure it will pass as this time the opposition will be very stiff. (They gave up on the Minder initiative after a half-assed campaign.) One of the repercussions would be a necessary and possibly complete taxation overhaul, which hasn’t even been mentioned yet. This will frighten people, as many are happy or accepting of the tax they pay.
Won’t this just “force” firms to contract out their low-paid jobs?
Maybe spin off the low-paid 3/4 of Big Firm AG into Cheap Labor AG
or whatever? The CLAG CEO is a former BFAG mid-level manager
making only 12x as much as the wage slaves. Alternatively, BFAG
splits upper management off into a holding company. Or if a “holding”
relationship is too close for weaseling purposes, perhaps it goes the other
way: BFAG upper management is spun off into Super-Duper Management
Consultants which is then hired for big francs by BFAG, none of whose
remaining employees make enough to trigger the law. Aren’t there
endless possibilities here? I’d love to see management looting reined
in—here in the US also—but how does one do it without simply diverting
top management’s attention even further from running the company
as they obsess over finding ways around the pay restrictions, even
if the only way for some firms is to simply move the firm abroad?
I didn’t put that link to “thee companyy” in that last post
and neither know what robot did so nor appreciate it
making me look like a sneaky advertiser. If this is the doing of the
hosting site, Yves may have been conned into picking the wrong
hosting site. If I were her, I’d be livid.
I’ll have to check… it seems to only be coming in my post!!!???
The antithesis of the examples you cite, as Reinhold Nieburh explains, is expressed by the the secular idealists (the Marxists probably being the best known of these), the Modern liberal Protestants and the Catholic universalists. And since the US has become a much more religously diverse place since when Niebuhr lived, I’m sure there are now other religions which figure prominently on the American religous landscape which have a similar moral code. Here is how Nieburh describes it:
But, as Nieburh goes on to explain:
If we look at the true believers on both sides of the moral divide — the liberals (neoliberals in today’s vernacular) on one side and the secular idealists, Protestant liberals and Catholic universalists on the other — what is “so remarkable in all these theories and doctrines,” to put it in Hannah Arendt’s words, “is their implicit monism, the claim that behind the obvious multiplicity of the world’s appearances and, even more pertinently for our context, behind the obvious pluraility of man’s faculties and abilities, there must exist a oneness — the old hen pan, “the all is one” — either a single source or a single ruler.”
The moral cynics have done a much better job of enlisting science to their cause, in making moral cynicsm look scientific. But I think that could change. For instance, Einstein argued that morality has been one of the principle areas around which religion has organized:
But Einstein also argued that there is a higher stage of religious experience, what he called “cosmic religious feeling,” that transcends social or moral religion, and that a sound morality can be formulated without this highest stage of religous experience. Therefore, science and religion are not incompatible as is generally believed by many of the children of light and children of darkness:
Umm, I’m one of them atheists, where do I fit? Can’t I be good, too?
An atheist with a reading comprehension problem?
:)
When a system gets too big and complex, morality is pushed out of the equation because it becomes impossible for an individual to differentiate what is right from wrong.
Depending on where you fit in the system, evil is different.
In fact, every choice I make in my own personal life can be viewed as good and bad depending on where those around me fit in the system.
Moneta says:
I’m not sure I agree completely with that.
Morality, as the Russian scientist Peter Turchin has asserted, “is the glue that holds society together.” He notes that the dawning of the Axial Age and the rise of extremely large societies correlates with the advent of more sophisticated religions.
Humans, regardless of what liberal doctrine decrees, are hyper-social aniamals, and cultural evolution allowed what Einstein called “social and moral” religion (which remember he argued requires “no religous basis”) to evolve to unprecedented levels.
I would rephrase your claim as follows:
I agree that humans need morality but if the moral code makes people work against eachother, the system will implode.
And when I look around me, here in Canada, it is pretty clear that the moral code pertaining to many areas of life, makes no sense anymore.
When I hear people complain about the lack of morality in today’s world, I can’t help but cringe because very often they do not realize that their moral code is crushing a large number of people. They seem to think or want to believe that the moral code is set in stone.
There are a few basic principles that all humans adhere to but there are an incredible number of rules that make no sense in today’s social construct.
whenever i hear ‘morals’ debated i can’t help but remember the Pedophiles creed: it’s not immoral just illegal
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
inferno
@ Moneta
I see our current moral order, which has been regnant for almost 500 years, as being in advanced old age and quite feeble. Truly, it is well beyond its expiration date. It’s been on life support for a century now. I suppose Immanuel Wallerstein would say it is in structural crisis.
But this does not mean that a new moral order will not evolve to take its place. The new moral order could be more egalitarian, or less egalitarian. And the stakes have never been higher, for man has the power now to completely destroy his species and take the entire planet along with it if he fails at this task.
Nevertheless, this presents great opportunity for the coming generations, for they have the opportunity to shape a new moral order. Opportunities like this for freedom and the exercise of free will haven’t been around since the 16th and first half of the 17th centuries, when the old feudal moral order became dysfunctional and fell away.
not just in the US
Unicef: British children facing bleaker future under coalition
Children’s charity says situation facing young people in UK is expected to worsen as cuts threaten to ‘sideline’ a generation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/10/children-bleaker-future-coalition-unicef
With regards to child poverty in the UK., have you seen the BBC documentary made back in 2011, “Poor Kids” ?
Part one here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BN7ml6b-e4
The BBC documentary at the beginning of this thread seems quite tame compared with many of the videos on youtube and the like, of homeless people in the USA. Families with children living in automobiles, RVs and tents. This is not a recent occurance.
Even Time magazine has done an article.
Let’s cut to the chase here. The fact is that the majority of the American people simply don’t care if there are so many poor kids–they really don’t. Most Americans see poor people not as fellow Americans but as distant people living in some third world country. Many resent that they don’t just die. We’ve become a country of ogres who pretend to be concerned. Something right out of Dickens.
When you look down to lower rungs on the ladder, all you see are bad potentialities.
– A place for you to fall.
– A reminder of where you could be.
– Someone who could reach up and pull you down.
– The person who’s shoulders you are standing on.
– etc
The disadvantage of these Americans is the scaffolding that others’ advantages are built on. Maybe they know that at some gut level, but who wants to admit it.
I agree about the media’s (purposeful) disconnect from the social breakdown, growing dispair and ever increasing poverty I see here in my economically depressed state. (Unemployment went down here because people gave up looking for work or left the area!) I notice this each time I force myself to watch network news, which I do mainly to educate myself on how the MSM disseminates propaganda.
Measures of child poverty vary and of course they don’t tell the whole story.
One point is that the ‘rate’, such as it is, as compared to poverty in the society as a whole, is not mentioned.
In the UK and the US child poverty is higher than the global measure, as in several other countries, in opposition to, e.g. to Australia, Germany, Slovenia, and many others. (OECD countries.) In some countries, dire poverty is found amongst the elderly, not children.
This is the mark of more unequal societies, and that in itself can hit children hard, outside of amount or quality of the food, education, med. care they get. The necessary submissiveness and perception of those in authority molds them.
Note the BBC film presented very smart, savy, photogenic and rather conventional children who had at least one functioning parent on their side, struggling to do their best. The usual – job loss, eviction, Medicare not working, bad food, schooling difficulties – were well illustrated, but the doc never mentioned:
violence – abuse – sexual abuse – drugs – alcoholism (the parents were all great) – parent or child prostitution – bullying (it was mentioned lightly by the teen as a social stigma) – real starvation – foster care – deportation – orphans – runaways – child crime …..and more.
I’m not trying here to paint a dark picture even blacker, just saying that the whole way the measures are done and handled by the mainstream is superficial and hypocritical.
There is a long-standing Anglo Saxon tendency to differentiate the “deserving poor” from the underserving poor. The deserving poor (people who are druggies, lazy, engaged/engaged in criminal activity) are seen as getting their comeuppance and hence not deserving of sympathy. That probably accounts for the skew of the film, to show that “undeserving” people are poor, and in large numbers too.
Yves said:
This is very much by design. Speaking of the way things are in Mexico, which has been struggling with the neoliberal monster in its full incarnation far longer than the US has, Carlos Fuentes wrote:
Watched it (well part, so far, computer stalled, waiting for rest to dl) and wept. JHFC on a pogo stick, there are people who want stuff, there are people who want to do stuff, and I was taught that this constitutes a ‘market’. So why does it not happen? No money. So, why don’t we just *make that money* so it all can happen.
Yeah, I hear Bernard Lietaer this past Sat, on complementary currencies. (Fantasy: posting to NC “Well, I was having a beer the other night with Bernard Lietaer …” *true!*)
If we wait for the govt, or biz, or whoever to fix it, we will just die. But the good news is that we can do it ourselves.
HotFlash says:
Ah yes! The anti-politics of rugged individualism.
No, but at/from friend-and-neighbour level. Do not see how this conflicts with your view.
The conflict is that the liberals, known as neoliberals in today’s rubric, will not leave you alone to pursue some “friend-and-neighbor level” existence. In the entire 225 year existence of liberalism, with its “Democracy of Proery Rights” as Thorstein Veblen put it, this has never happened, not in the long run at least.
Just look at what happend to Emiliano Zapata, who wanted to preserve the comunitarian lifestyle of Mexico’s indigenous peoples. Just look at what is happening now to the same sorts of indigenous communities in India:
OMG — we are *DOOMED*!!!
“The October war, if it takes place, if we don’t manage to stop it,”
Wonder how that might happen, if ‘individuals”, rugged or not, do nothing. As for me, I most emphatically am not rugged, need lots of help from friends and neighbours, if they are so inclined (o-oh, would this be democracy?)
We work small. We share what we have. View from Mexico may be different, we value your view.
@ HotFlash
I’m sure that the view from Mexico, and almost anywhere outside the United States, is different, and very much so. There are very good reasons for this, explained in part here by Lawrence Goodwyn:
Since the GFC began and what has happened since, however, I think many Americans are now beginning to take note of the enormous price they are being “forced to pay for their narrowed cultural range.”
It seems to me that it is the the wealthy who are the absolute SCOURGE of the entire world; In fact, they are the TRUE DREGS of all society and they should ALL be LYNCHED.
They have plenty of middle class enablers.
+100
Conservatives would watch this and say “Why did they spend their money on those big tv’s”. Certain liberals would watch this and say “Mom is yelling. We must get her parenting classes.”
clueless breeding with clueless….resulting in no breeding…and a monetary accounting system completely disassociated from nature that hides all the bad news in the pension system, paying interest on interest. what could possibly go wrong? Can we open another university, to extend best-business-automation-practice a little bit further?
Thanks for sharing this documentary. It is a shame that it was the BBC and not an American outlet. They did do an excellent job putting a human face to the story– but more than that they showed the strengths of these families in the face of everything they have to confront. They showed these are interesting people too with something to offer. The NPR set needs to watch this.
PBS aired the same documentary last year:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/poor-kids/
This was a very difficult video to watch; I was torn apart by feelings of sympathy for the children and their parents.
This kind of suffering need not be; trillions in Treasury funds are used to prop up a cancerous financial sector. The benefits of that are a negative force on the economy as the services provided are sometimes frivoulous, often criminal and always delitorious to the overall well-being of the nation. Yet, Our Fearless Leaders says we can’t ‘afford’ to extend unemployment benefits or subsidize medical care, food and housing for those in dire straits. What he and his followers or any of us can’t afford is the permanent damage done to this society and its children. Damage that is caused by adhering to an outlandish ideology whose dictates call for more so called auterity. What is being hoarded is the feelings of love and care and concern as if those qualities were in limited supply.
Of course the government could put people to work by creating a job guarentee program but at this point we are at the nadir. It will probably not reach the political horizon for twenty years or so.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/tag/job-guarantee
That’s sad for these kids. But most of their parents were shouting “USA! USA! USA!” when Bush Jr. started dropping bombs on Iraqi children.
So, this is Karma at work.
yes, it is easy to thik of the plight of these families as “karma”, but in reality they are the victims of the Bush-type rulling elite as much as the Iraqi children were, except of course that they are not dead.
I used the term “Karma” ironically.
However, it is not just the Bush-type ruling elite. It is an entire history and ethos built around plunder and theft. It is the history of the West, which fortunately is now coming to an end.
And so it is all good. Yes, we may state that this theft and plunder is coming to an end because somewhere (actually everywhere) a child is living in a motel. Or on a 6 month waiting list for a place in a shelter.
But maybe it is not quite over yet? After all, there is still some SPAM to be had.
And you know this how?
Did you watch the documentary?
Thank you Yves for this link. I was especially moved by the Iowa story, as an Illinoisan who has seen small, once-prosperous light manufacturing towns in west central Illinois decimated by unemployment and the ensuing ills of long-term poverty; just about every small town within an hour of the Mississippi that I’ve passed through looks like Stockton. The way a country (especially a rich one) chooses to treat its children, its future really, reveals a lot about the country itself. What does it reveal about the U.S. with the second-highest child poverty rate among developed nations after Romania?
“what passes for media in the US is how insistent and disconnected the official narrative is with conditions on the ground.”
I did see this same story featured on PBS’s Frontline last fall, with Will Lyman narrating. We should take some notice that at least one network (public broadcaster) bothered bringing these stories to the American public. But by the same token we should be ashamed almost nobody watched it.
Power to you Yves for bringing this to us. Keep up the good work!