2:00PM Water Cooler 12/2/2015

By Lambert Strether of Corrente

TPP/TTiP/TISA

ISDS: “A report from the Friends of the Earth Europe entitled “The Hidden Cost of EU Trade Deals” revealed that even before the UK and France were hit with penalties, other EU countries had been forced to pay out hundreds of millions of euros [under ISDS], and were facing claims for many billions more. A total of 127 cases have been brought against 20 EU member states since 1994. Details were only available for 62 of them—many ISDS cases take place in secret, with no information ever being released—and the total compensation claimed in those cases was €30 billion (£21 billion). ISDS tribunals certainly won’t grant that full amount, but we do know that €3.5 billion (£2.3 billion) in fines have already been imposed on EU governments—monies that ultimately must be paid by EU taxpayers” [Glynn Moody, Ars Technica]. Note especially, with regard to those who minimize both the number of ISDS suits and their damages: “[M]any ISDS cases take place in secret, with no information ever being released.” Excellent, detailed article, read it all.

“Many proposals for TTIP would create new  institutions or mechanisms with the power to change or eliminate regulations that affect trade. In the  process, TTIP could block important efforts in both the EU and the U.S. to reduce carbon emissions and  combat climate change” (PDF) [Global Development and Environment Institute] “Regulations are not, in general, arbitrary bureaucratic obstacles. Many regulations are adopted by  democratically elected governments in order to achieve socially desirable outcomes, preventing or  correcting damages that would result from unregulated private markets. Rolling back well -­‐ designed  regulations in order to promote trade would privilege corporations over democracy; it would give  greater priority to expanding exports and profits than to protecting human health and the natural  environment. 

2016

Policy

Trump: “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families” [CNN]. Well, we’ve been doing that, by blowing wedding parties to pink mist with drone strikes. I guess what Trump means is that we should double down.

Cruz: “We can defend our nation and be strong and uphold our values. There is a reason the bad guys engage in torture. ISIS engages in torture. Iran engages in torture. America does not need to torture to protect ourselves.” [AP].

Money

“A $30 million television blitz by the super PAC supporting [Bush], Right to Rise—the biggest investment by a single entity in the 2016 race—has barely registered nationwide or in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina” [Wall Street Journal, “Jeb Bush’s Stagnation in Polls Worries Donors”]. “That poll and others are defying predictions by Mr. Bush’s allies that after the terrorist attacks in Paris, voters would gravitate toward the policy-driven former Florida governor and away from businessman Donald Trump, prompting a fresh round of hand-wringing and second-guessing. ‘We [who??] know that Gov. Bush is the adult in the room and the one with a proven record, but unfortunately the country doesn’t seem to care,’ said Mike Fernandez, a Miami billionaire.” The dogs won’t eat the dog food!  

“Who’s Behind the Ghost Companies Funding Jeb Bush’s Super-PAC?” [Mother Jones].

The Trail

“Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is playing the long game to get exactly what she wants out of presidential politics — specifically, to make economic populism go mainstream. And so far, it’s working out pretty great” [WaPo].

“Facing a surprisingly robust challenge from Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, Clinton’s presidential campaign has constructed a sort of political firewall across the American South to fortify against snags or hitches in New Hampshire or Iowa” [Bloomberg].

“Decision to force out Marine who sent warning ahead of insider attack upheld” [WaPo]. And why? “handling of classified information.” Note the double standard.

“A Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday finds Trump taking 27 percent support, a 10-point lead over the next closest contender. That’s a slight increase for Trump, who stood at 24 percent in the same poll from last month” [The Hill]. “The survey finds that Trump is likely near his ceiling, with 26 percent saying they would definitely not support him for president, the highest number among all of the candidates.” You know, when you think about who clutches pearls in the political class, and why, you’ll see that at least Trump hasn’t slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians or created mulitiple failed states in the Middle East. That honor belongs to Secretary Clinton, although, to be fair, she had lots of help.

“Claim That Video Backs Donald Trump’s Assertion of Mass 9/11 Celebrations Is Debunked” [New York Times]. The story seems to be based on an MTV video, and MTV unearthed the video, and the interviewees. A dozen kids acting out… 

“Although Cruz is at 16 percent among all Republicans, he runs significantly stronger among three subgroups: “very” conservative voters, tea party supporters and white born-again/evangelical voters. Those subgroups are also the three most important and powerful when it comes to deciding the GOP nominee in 2016″ [WaPo]. Hence the Cruz quotes yesterday.

Stats Watch

MBA Mortgage Applications, week of November 27: “Purchase applications are moving sharply higher” [Econoday]. “Year-on-year, purchase applications are up an eye-popping 30 percent in strength that points to much needed acceleration for underlying home sales. The rise in mortgage rates has triggered the move, encouraging buyers to step up and lock in rates before they move even higher. In contrast, demand for refinancing is easing.”

ADP Employment Report, November 2015: “ADP is calling for strength in Friday’s employment report, at a higher-than-expected gain of 217,000 for government payrolls in November” [Econoday]. “Month-to-month, this report is not always an accurate indicator for the government’s data.” And: “The rolling averages of year-over-year jobs growth rate remains strong but the rate of growth continues in a downtrend (although insignificant this month)” [Econoday].

Productivity and Costs, Q3 2015:  “Wage pressures, especially relative to output, are appearing in the productivity and costs report” [Econoday]. “Unit labor costs, measured quarter to quarter, jumped to a much higher-than-expected annualized rate of 1.8 percent in the third quarter, up 4 tenths from the first estimate and twice expectations.” [Time to screw the working people! –lambert] “Though a rise in labor costs is not being signaled by other data, this report is certain to be considered closely by FOMC policy makers. Low productivity, and rising labor costs along with it, point to the effects of full employment and limited investment in new technologies.” 

But: “A simple summary of the headlines for this release is that the growth of productivity exceeded the growth of costs (headline quarter-over-quarter analysis). The year-over-year analysis says the opposite” [Econoday]. “I personally do not understand why anyone [i.e., the FOMC] would look at the data in this series as the trends are changed from release to release – and significantly between the preliminary and final release.” Moreover: “Within the normal framework of volatility in quarter-to-quarter changes in output, hours, and thus productivity, the latest readings do not clearly show a break. The big (3.5%) gain in Q2 reflected a catch-up in output growth after the weather-related weakness in Q1, so it would be unfair to consider the Q2 pop in productivity without also including the Q1 drop in output per man-hour” [Amherst Pierpont Securities, Across the Curve]. “The combination of weak productivity gains and accelerating compensation means that unit labor costs are rising…. For most of the last four years, unit labor costs have been running in the neighborhood of 2% on a trend basis, i.e. roughly in line with the Fed’s inflation target.  If the latest reading of 3% becomes the norm, then the implication would be that the labor market situation is actively exerting an upward influence on inflation.  You can bet that this is a development that will be a game changer for Chair Yellen, Vice Chair Fischer, and the Fed Board staff, all diehard Phillips Curve disciples.”

Gallup U.S. Job Creation Index, November 2015: “November’s job creation index reading was plus 31 — similar to the record high of plus 32 recorded in each of the previous six months. These readings since April represent the highest the index has been since Gallup began measuring employees’ perceptions of job creation at their workplaces in 2008” [Econoday]. “Midwestern workers generally have been most positive about job creation in their workplaces, while Easterners have been the least positive.” And then there’s Down East… 

“More evidence the capital spending contraction is not over” [Mosler Economics]. “The proportion of CEOs who said they expected their capital spending to decrease over the next six months rose to 27 percent from 20 percent in the third quarter.”

“Reality Check: Nov US Hiring Energetic but Most Pay Still Lags” [Market News]. Interesting anecdotes (lots of them) from staffing companies.

The Fed: “Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank President Dennis Lockhart did not mince words Wednesday saying the case for liftoff is “compelling” and the upcoming meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee could be historic” [Market News].

“A Unicorn Is Worth What Fidelity Says It’s Worth” [Bloomberg]. That is, the bezzel.

Ag: “It’s very, very hard to lose money on farmland” [Agrimoney]. “Farmland Partners, which floated in New York last year with holdings of a little over 7,000 acres of US farmland, saw its portfolio pass 100,000 acres this week, with a $31.8m purchase of land in Louisiana. … This is in part because the group’s model relies on renting out land to growers, rather than farming the plots itself, besides capital appreciation.”

Honey for the Bears: “Junk Bonds Having Worst Year Since 2008 Crisis: Three Red Flags” [Wall Street on Parade (GF)].

Today’s Fear & Greed Index: 58 (-2); Greed [CNN]. Last week: 59 (Greed). (0 is Extreme Fear; 100 is Extreme Greed).

Black Injustice Tipping Point

“Mr. Emanuel’s announcement that he had appointed a task force that will review the Police Department’s accountability procedures is too little, too late. The fact is, his administration, the Police Department and the prosecutor’s office have lost credibility on this case” [New York Times]. “Officials must have known what was on that video more than a year ago, and yet they saw no reason to seek a sweeping review of the police procedures until this week.” Say, who did Rahm used to work for?

“Rahm bombs in Chicago over police killing” [New York Daily News].

“Prosecutor: Emanuel’s City Hall made decision to delay police shooting video” [Politico]. So the prosecutor threw Rahm under the bus. “Every man for himself,” at this point. Pass the popcorn.

“Despite calls from political leaders, Black Lives Matter protesters still say they will not remove their encampment from the 4th Precinct police station in north Minneapolis. But on their 17th night there, protesters’ numbers have dwindled” [Minnesota Publlc Radio]. As in Ferguson, the important thing is not absolute numbers, but continuity and persistence. And good for them. It’s getting cold out there.

Corruption

“Emboldened by Silver conviction, Bharara to indict Cuomo Jan 2nd” [Buffalo Chronicle]. Even though there are three sources, people seem dubious. That said, “three men in a room” run (or ran) New York state: Governor, the Assembly speaker and the Senate president. Skelos and Silver are gone. So what about Cuomo, who was “the third man” in the room? 

“Gov. Andrew Cuomo isn’t ready to turn away donations from his most generous political donor simply because the firm plays a prominent role in the corruption trials of former Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Senate Leader Dean Skelos” [Times Union].

“Cuomo Says No To Special Session On Ethics” [WXXI]. Seems odd.

“The eventual cost of corruption — as the joke tells us — is not just that you build things you shouldn’t, but you stop building things altogether. And the real cost of corruption in New York State — and part of Shelly’s legacy — is the things we didn’t do. With a democratic senate and without tax give ways to developers, we could have been building the best infrastructure in the country, and educating all our kids. Instead, the state is literally falling apart” [Zephyr Teachout, HuffPo]. Corruption is why we can’t have nice things.

Gaia

“Indonesia forest fires: how the year’s worst environmental disaster unfolded – interactive” [Guardians]. The CEOs of the companies who burn land for palm oil, pulp wood, and timber should be in the dock at the Hague for ecocide.

“Time to Drop the Climate War Talk” [Common Dreams].

“Meet the guy making money off your food scraps” [Chicago Business]. Really cool. 

“[I]f you want to eat chicken in the U.S., salmonella is a risk you have to live with. It’s one that’s getting more prominent, too. Americans are eating more chicken than ever as they move away from red meat. Antibiotic-resistant strains of the bacteria can make it harder to combat. And it can be fatal [Reveal].

Guillotine Watch

“Turn Back the Clock with a Christmas Yacht Charter” [Dennison Yacht Sales]. “When’s the last time you really looked forward to Christmas – the way you did when you were young? For many of us, the festive season can become a bit of a chore as the years roll by, increasingly finding ourselves chained to the stove and cleaning out guest bedrooms, picking up after the kids and trying to find ways to entertain them inside on bitterly cold, windy days. Even for those of us who love ‘the silly season’ more than any other time of year, it probably feels like it’s time for something different. This year, why not chase the sunshine with a Christmas yacht charter?” Indeed!

Zuckerberg’s “Foundation”: “A filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, first reported by BuzzFeed, reveals that the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative is actually organized as a Delaware-based limited liability corporation (LLC), rather than a traditional non-profit” [Ars Technica]. Squillioniare Zuckerberg is a creep of the first water, so it’s not surprise that his philanthropic organization is optimized for scamming, or that the initial obsequious coverage was driven by his PR operation.

Class Warfare

“[A]ll  it  takes  is  a  small  number  of intolerant virtuous people with skin in the game, in the form of courage, for society to function properly” (pdf) [Nassim Nicholas Taleb]. So I’d say Yves has a pretty good shot.

“Why Poor People Stay Poor. Saving money costs money. Period” [Slate]. “I once lost a whole truck over a few hundred bucks. It had been towed, and when I called the company they told me they’d need a few hundred dollars for the fee. I didn’t have a few hundred dollars. So I told them when I got paid next and that I’d call back then.” And so it goes.

“The richest 10% of people generate half the world’s carbon emissions” [Quartz]. “Now, a new report (pdf) by Oxfam has analyzed per capita carbon use, and found that almost half of the emissions generated by personal consumption are down to the wealthiest 10% of people. … [A]lthough China may be a huge carbon emitter, a large proportion of the goods it produces are actually consumed in rich Western countries.”

“Federal civil rights officials at the Department of Justice are launching an effort to combat widespread constitutional abuses in U.S. courts in the hope of ending budget-driven policies that cripple those unable to afford fines and fees for minor offenses” [HuffPo]. After how many decades. Never let it be said, however, that protests never accomplish anything; this is a result of Ferguson and #BlackLivesMatter.

“This Week, World Summit On Altering Human Genes Explores Ethical Limits” [Scientific American]. No doubt.

News of the Wired 

“Disheartened Man Expected At Least One Text While Checking Phone After Flight” [The Onion].

“If consciousness is a secondary byproduct of physical laws, and if those laws are causally closed – meaning that everything in the world is explained by them (as physicalists claim) – then consciousness becomes truly irrelevant. Physicalism further allows us to imagine a world without consciousness, a ‘zombie world’ that looks exactly like our own, peopled with beings who act exactly like us but aren’t conscious. Such zombies have no feelings, emotions or subjective experience; they live lives without qualia. As Chalmers has noted, there is literally nothing it is like to be zombie” [Aeon].

“Good sleep isn’t just about how long you sleep. Continuity may be equally important” [Wall Street Journal, “A Good Night’s Sleep Is Tied to Interruptions, Not Just Hours”]. Hmm. IIRC, before artificial light became ubiquitous, people would wake up in the middle of the night, work or socialize, and then go back to sleep. So I’m not sure about these studies (the authors mention several).

The 10,000-hour rule vs. the 100-hour rule: “For most disciplines, it only takes one hundred hours of active learning to become much more competent than an absolute beginner” [Coding VC]. A startup “In the long run,[will] want to hire experts; in the short run, invest enough time into learning so that you can adequately fill any critical gaps.” In other words, exactly as the NASA astronauts were strapped into seats on top of rockets where every part was supplied by the low bidder, startups should be peopled by employers “much more competent than the absolute beginner.” That explains a lot. In other words, startups mean too much stupid money chasing too few people who know what they’re doing.

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camellia

OregonCharles writes: “Another view of camellia Hana Jimon (huge white and pink flowers).”

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About Lambert Strether

Readers, I have had a correspondent characterize my views as realistic cynical. Let me briefly explain them. I believe in universal programs that provide concrete material benefits, especially to the working class. Medicare for All is the prime example, but tuition-free college and a Post Office Bank also fall under this heading. So do a Jobs Guarantee and a Debt Jubilee. Clearly, neither liberal Democrats nor conservative Republicans can deliver on such programs, because the two are different flavors of neoliberalism (“Because markets”). I don’t much care about the “ism” that delivers the benefits, although whichever one does have to put common humanity first, as opposed to markets. Could be a second FDR saving capitalism, democratic socialism leashing and collaring it, or communism razing it. I don’t much care, as long as the benefits are delivered. To me, the key issue — and this is why Medicare for All is always first with me — is the tens of thousands of excess “deaths from despair,” as described by the Case-Deaton study, and other recent studies. That enormous body count makes Medicare for All, at the very least, a moral and strategic imperative. And that level of suffering and organic damage makes the concerns of identity politics — even the worthy fight to help the refugees Bush, Obama, and Clinton’s wars created — bright shiny objects by comparison. Hence my frustration with the news flow — currently in my view the swirling intersection of two, separate Shock Doctrine campaigns, one by the Administration, and the other by out-of-power liberals and their allies in the State and in the press — a news flow that constantly forces me to focus on matters that I regard as of secondary importance to the excess deaths. What kind of political economy is it that halts or even reverses the increases in life expectancy that civilized societies have achieved? I am also very hopeful that the continuing destruction of both party establishments will open the space for voices supporting programs similar to those I have listed; let’s call such voices “the left.” Volatility creates opportunity, especially if the Democrat establishment, which puts markets first and opposes all such programs, isn’t allowed to get back into the saddle. Eyes on the prize! I love the tactical level, and secretly love even the horse race, since I’ve been blogging about it daily for fourteen years, but everything I write has this perspective at the back of it.

90 comments

  1. Kurt Sperry

    The only scenario I can see Trump potentially actually winning is a Trump-Clinton head to head. Mostly because if Clinton is the nominee, Democratic voter turnout is likely to be at a historic low. This will not only potentially put Trump in the WH (one shudders to think), but means all the down ticket races will be dominated by the GOP as well, so you are likely to see commanding majorities for the Republicans in not only the Congress, but in local and state assemblies and governorships as well right down to dogcatcher. Hillary’s negatives are likely to hand the whole enchilada to the Republicans. If Sanders is the nominee, the polling looks like having the exact opposite effect–large voter turnouts, a lot of crossover and independent voters (now the largest single category of voters) bleeding off support for the Republican slates and the Republicans likely to suffer huge losses at all levels. Sanders-Trump head to head is a landslide for Sanders in every poll I’ve seen. To borrow a meme the corporate Democrats always like to use to sugar coat their poo sandwiches, “Think of the Supreme Court!”

    There is also the matter of corruption, which is currently a huge existential threat to the whole American democratic process. Hillary’s donor list is a rogue’s gallery of ultra-wealthy special interests who have to an alarming degree captured the machineries of both legacy parties. This frightens me more than even the prospect of a Trump administration. I don’t believe for a second she will ever bite the hand that feeds her, even if doing so would clearly be in the national interest. A Clinton administration, like most administrations, will work for her donors above all else. Whatever you might think of Trump, he has almost no monetary support–and therefore no allegiance to–Wall St. and the largely stateless multinationals who dominate American party politics. Trump has spoken favorably about Wall St. and banking regulation, about universal single-payer health care, about his staunch opposition to the TPP and associated multilateral trade deals. Assuming Trump doesn’t torch off WWIII or race wars, he as president is likely to be more progressive on significant areas of policy that are important to me than either his Republican rivals or Clinton. He is right wing on cultural and identity politics issues no doubt, just as Hillary is often left wing on those issues, but those issues aren’t as important to me as the larger issue of the corruption of the entire political process by moneyed interests.

    I won’t under *any* circumstances vote for anyone whose donor list is filled with big contributions from Wall St. financial institutions, multinational corporations, private corrections ghouls, health insurance companies who should not even be allowed to exist, cable monopolies etc. etc.

    Read this list of Clinton’s top campaign donors:
    https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000019

    and compare it to Trump’s donor list, both in terms of who is giving and the amounts given:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N00023864

    Trump owes those special interests–even those who have contributed to his campaign–almost literally nothing.

    1. lambert strether

      If some billionaire thinks Trump isn’t the “adult in the room,” that’s a positive, so far as I’m concerned.

  2. wbgonne

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is playing the long game to get exactly what she wants out of presidential politics — specifically, to make economic populism go mainstream. And so far, it’s working out pretty great” [WaPo].

    Beltway gibberish. The supposed evidence of Warren’s “success” in presidential politics? Abject neolberal Hillary Clinton, the prohibitive favorite for the Democratic presidential nomination, is mouthing progressive-y things she doesn’t believe. So getting the Wall Street candidate to lie is now considered “success”? Only in DC. Want to know what actual success in presidential politics would look like? Warren endorsing Bernie Sanders and helping mobilize a progressive army to defeat the neoliberal candidate. Or, better yet, Warren herself taking on Clinton which — no disrespect to Bernie — was the only viable path to defeating Clinton. Instead, the article pats Warren on the head for her refusal to “take sides.” What a leader!

    1. Ulysses

      “Mouthing progressive-y things she doesn’t believe.”

      Yep. What’s worse, this gives fauxgressives, like Alan Grayson, the cover they need with low-information voters to endorse her– and still claim to be fighting the good progressive fight.

      The sad thing is that probably nine out of ten D.C. politicians are just as corrupt as former Speaker Silver. Why can’t we throw all of them into jail-cells– vacated by releasing young men of color who are only there because of corrupt police planting drugs on them??!?

      http://boingboing.net/2015/12/02/corrupt-alabama-police-planted.html

      1. wbgonne

        Corruption? I’m shocked. I thought those were just Savvy Businessmen engaging in public-private partnerships.

        Returning to Warren’s “long game” 11th Dimensional Chess, here’s the problem. The game is almost over and the neoliberals are adding not losing power within the Democratic Party. Why? Because the leadership of that party is thoroughly neoliberal. Want to change the party, Senator Warren? Then take over the leadership of the party. Run for president as a Progressive (or at least vocally support the person with guts to do it). That will move the Overton Window far more than any Clintonian double-talk. Getting Clinton to lie and then betray progressives will just repeat the Obama Era of Despair that moved the Overton Window to the Right, not the Left, especially after Obama kneecapped progressives, which you can bet your bottom dollar Hillary will be salivating to do (Sister Souljah was child’s play; you ain’t seen nothin’ ’til you see Hillary taking progressive scalps the day after her inauguration).

        And we don’t have the time! Remember “the fierce urgency of now”? Well, it’s 8 years later and things are a lot more fierce and urgent than they were then.

      1. Christopher Fay

        2020? 2024? That’s so lame. Considering the amount of damage a figure like Clint’n can do in a decade. Look at how much worse things are now 2015 than 2008.

        Clint’n: Cause we need nuclear war to balance global warming

  3. jsn

    Consciousness is an entropy accelerator, an overlay over life which already does the same thing: an accelerant of an accelerant. Nature harnesses our creativity to reduce energy to its simplest state most efficiently. The question is “can we choose to retard this process and sustain the lease of life in the process?”

  4. Abigail Caplovitz Field

    That buy farmland to rent it to farmers thing seems like it could be early-stage industrialized sharecropping; I’d like to know, as the landowning company continues its existence, how its tenant farmers do…

    1. PQS

      My thoughts as well. And not even early-stage. Just regular old sharecropping/tenant farming.

      Now, if we could only get the big, corporate farming operations to be tenant farmers – the investors and Big Ag would consume themselves in a race to the bottom!

      1. voxhumana

        My deceased partner left me the proceeds of his half of the family farm (a gift that continues to stun (and support) me 20 years after his death). His sister and I have a “tenant farmer” who gets a pretty good deal. I think it’s standard with family farms: He gets 50% percent of the farm profits while she and I split the other half. Plus he gets to live rent free in the farm home. That seems right and fair to me.

        If all tenant farmers were treated so fairly there might be more of them at a time when the number of young people willing to work the land is decreasing.

        1. Abigail Caplovitz Field

          Where I live is old agricultural family farm land; my neighbor down the street is 10th generation, and multigenerational family farms are common. We have a non-profit organization that is a land trust that rents to young farmers, and we have a lot of high end farming–organic, biodynamic, heritage breeds, etc. I’m not suggesting that renting can’t work, it’s just that when I read about a company mass-aggregating land and insulating it from the risk of the crop it makes me very nervous; sharecropping is a very old form of debt slavery

          1. ambrit

            Industrialized farming also reduces the diversity of crops. Soil exhaustion can be quick to strike if the ‘managers’ of the farms focus on short term profits versus long term soil conservation. Wait a minute. I’m talking about ‘factory farms’ here. Corporations. Aw h—! It’s time to form a non profit to acquire ‘worn out’ farmland and ‘bank’ it for the future. Like, plant soybeans and plow them under once or twice.

      1. Bruce F

        After a few good years, preceded by decades of just getting by, grain prices now barely cover the cost of production, nevermind the rent on land. Those who rent are forced to honor their leases despite the losses for fear of being frozen out of access to land if/when grain prices go back up. I’d say the industrialized serf model is firmly in place.

    2. A Farmer

      I’m pretty sure Farmland Partners will lose money on farmland. They are buying at the top of the market in a once-in-a-generation commodity supercycle. Farmers can and will reduce cash rents. Recent rents are unsustainable in a multiyear downturn. They just bought 20,000 acres of farmland in Illinois, with much of the purchase funded in stock shares, then turned around and used that land as collateral to buy more ground. I see shareholder lawsuit futures.

  5. rich

    re: Squillioniare Zuckerberg

    Four Reasons the Facebook Fortune Is Going Into an LLC

    1. There won’t be limits on lobbying
    It seems clear the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative will put money to work in politics. Facebook, in its official description of its founder’s new LLC, noted that “making private investments and participating in policy debates” will be part of the mission.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-02/four-reasons-the-facebook-fortune-is-going-into-an-llc

    did you say creep-y?

    1. bob

      It’s also a delaware LLC, favorite jurisdiction of the banks.

      They like delaware, mostly, because delaware llc law allows boards to have very little in the way of responsibilities.

      Sounds like a match made in heaven for the PR hick who started off with lists of the “20 easiest freshmen” at harvard.

      Huge fortune, almost no responsibility.

  6. polecat

    re. WSJ article on sleep,….Lambert, have you ever read A. Roger Ekirch’s ‘At Day’s Close ? …….. it’s a fascinating study of societal life before electrically generated illumination. I highly recommend it!

    1. lambert strether

      I bet I read a review of it, and that’s racketing round in my mind. I’ll add it to my stack of partially read books!

      The past is another country….

  7. Daryl

    > Hmm. IIRC, before artificial light became ubiquitous, people would wake up in the middle of the night, work or socialize, and then go back to sleep. So I’m not sure about these studies (the authors mention several).

    Even that is biphasic (two periods with one major interruption). Consistent disruptions whether external (babies, electronics, etc) or internal (apneas) likely lead to serious health problems down the line.

  8. Sammy Maudlin

    Good sleep isn’t just about how long you sleep. Continuity may be equally important

    RE: people waking in the middle of the night pre-artificial light. I’ve read about that as well, and it can be a natural sleeping pattern. I think that going on the “night watch” was pretty common and especially in northern countries, a way to accommodate the lack of winter daylight.

    But these studies are about not waking up when you goddam want to. In my experience, the studies are dead on. If my wonderful children wake me up a couple times in the middle of a nine-hour night of sleep, I’m useless and cranky the next day. If I get five and a half hours straight, I’m golden.

    1. Oregoncharles

      They should ask older men with hypertrophic prostates. Very interrupted sleep. So far, any effects are easily ascribable to age. Or do my comments sound psychotic?

  9. wbgonne

    ISDS: “A report from the Friends of the Earth Europe entitled “The Hidden Cost of EU Trade Deals” revealed that even before the UK and France were hit with penalties, other EU countries had been forced to pay out hundreds of millions of euros [under ISDS], and were facing claims for many billions more. A total of 127 cases have been brought against 20 EU member states since 1994. Details were only available for 62 of them—many ISDS cases take place in secret, with no information ever being released—and the total compensation claimed in those cases was €30 billion (£21 billion). ISDS tribunals certainly won’t grant that full amount, but we do know that €3.5 billion (£2.3 billion) in fines have already been imposed on EU governments—monies that ultimately must be paid by EU taxpayers” [Glynn Moody, Ars Technica]. Note especially, with regard to those who minimize both the number of ISDS suits and their damages: “[M]any ISDS cases take place in secret, with no information ever being released.” Excellent, detailed article, read it all.

    An excellent piece of work indeed (though very slow to load). And much thanks to Lambert for ferreting out these reports.

    Here’s something for the estimable Ezra Klein — “the U.S. will never lose an ISDS suit because the U.S. has never lost an ISDS suit” — to ponder:

    Proponents of the dangerous clause argue that the mechanism is already included in some 3,000 investment treaties worldwide, and that it provides necessary protection for private investors. However, they seldom mention the costs of private arbitration for taxpayers and society. Also they fail to acknowledge that the very reason why European Union member states (mainly Western ones) have not been heavily targeted by ISDS claims is that they have not agreed on trade agreements with other high capital-exporting countries so far – such as the US, Canada, or China, with whom the EU is currently negotiating. In that regard, the parallel negotiations of TTIP, CETA, or the EU-China trade agreements are likely to change the state of play in a signicant way.

    Get that, Ezra? The magnitude of these proposed deals is “likely to change the state of play in a significant way.” Do we really think that all the other countries in the world are so stupid that they will agree to a permanent supranational regime where the United States never loses? Or is it more that there is no such thing as the “United States” “winning” under ISDS, because the only ones who actually ever win are the corporatists? Once the corporatocracy is fully entrenched with TPP/TTIP the gloves will come off. And guess what? The U.S. might start losing, past performance notwithstanding.

    1. fresno dan

      In the era of Davos man, the idea that a nation gains an advantage, is I would argue an outdated concept. Its all 0.1% all the time, in all places.
      I say trade deals are just a big McGuffin to deflect attention that they are merely novel scams to drain money in ever more “innovative” ways…

    2. lambert strether

      I just hope these links reach everyone trying to put a stake in the heart of the trade zombie. Please feel free to pass this around, with notes to the effect that the so-called trade deals are covered regularly here.

  10. ProNewerDeal

    anyone know the status of the ACA’s Employer Mandate?

    The last I heard, a Wack Arnolds (McDonald’s) lobbyist cried to 0bama about the Employer Mandate, so 0bama delayed the Employer Mandate (by 2 years?). (0bama is sensitive to the wishes of BigCorporations, but ruthlessly enforces the Individual Mandate on Actual Biological Persons aka Voters.)

    Has the Employer Mandate taken effect by now, or is it scheduled to take effect? I feel that Congress done the move of hiding unpopular-with-voters change, by hiding it in an unrelated bill (say on Transportation). Perhaps Congress has “silently” killed the Employer Mandate in some unrelated bill?

  11. alex morfesis

    short fartbook…suckerburg using a delaware entity is for asset and lawsuit protection. hand it to the child, wait one year…sell it quietly to cash out before a crash(ala mark cuban) and unless the crash and lawsuits happen within 12 months…happy days are here again…any shareholder lawsuits can not claw back the money he put into the LLC for his(as director of the entity since his child is under aged) and his childs eventual usage…so daddy gets to play with his daughters money for 17 to 20 years and if he hasn’t pissed it away, the rest should go to her…not seeing how a Delaware LLC is “giving” the money away to his favorite charity (his left pocket)…but every year a billion dollars…12 months later, that billion is un-attachable…three years…3 billion protected…and he will be regularly selling shares…probably another 500 million to 2 billion per year so that it does not come across as a report-able event…but its an “eventual” situation…he did not hand off all his shares this week…and has only scheduled to hand off in the next 3 years, only about 6% of his holdings…2 percent per year basically

    sorta like a self directed SEP-iRA for the plutokratz

  12. abynormal

    Mass Shooting, Bomb Threat In San Bernardino, CA; Up To 12 Reported Dead, Up To 3 Active Gunmen shooters still at large…sheriff’s not sure if shooter(s) could still be in building(s)

    interesting chart: There have been 334 days and 351 mass shootings so far this year
    Washingtonpostdotcom/news/wonk
    “We often think of peace as the absence of war, that if powerful countries would reduce their weapon arsenals, we could have peace. But if we look deeply into the weapons, we see our own minds- our own prejudices, fears and ignorance. Even if we transport all the bombs to the moon, the roots of war and the roots of bombs are still there, in our hearts and minds, and sooner or later we will make new bombs. To work for peace is to uproot war from ourselves and from the hearts of men and women. To prepare for war, to give millions of men and women the opportunity to practice killing day and night in their hearts, is to plant millions of seeds of violence, anger, frustration, and fear that will be passed on for generations to come. ”
    Thích Nhất Hạnh
    considerable… but unsustainable at this point

      1. JTMcPhee

        …and the fun, the SEXHILARATION, of fondling and “displaying” and waving and shooting off those “firearms…”

        Is there an SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Ammo) to take and care for all those unfortunate “stray bullets,” pending return to their owners?

  13. barrisj

    Right, since the Senate’s vote on protecting Murkans from terroristic Syrian refugees, there have been two mass shootings – last week in Colorado Springs, and today in San Bernadino, CA – with up to twenty deaths resulting from the attacks…with to date no ties laid to ISIS or “Islamic terrorism”. How can these feckless politicians even blather on about “protecting domestic security” when mass killings perpetrated by their fellow citizens who simply are allowed to run amok, with yet again the usual banal and inane rubbish being put out by “the authorities” about “praying for the victims and their families”…it really does seem to me that the more violent America acts abroad, the more violent do its citizens act at home, which of course include the police forces. There is some bad shit about that has really infected the American pysche, and to read that a national police-chief organisation is calling for “open-carry” at NFL games, to act as a “deterrent to potential terrorists” merely underlines this national psychosis. Really, it seems as though there is a march toward desocialisation and loosing of a collective morbid id leading to astonishing acts of murder and aggression in ever-increasing tempi, and one must wonder if any of this can possibly be reversed, given the inducements to carry on in the same fashion, or worse.

    1. fresno dan

      Millions for defense, not one cent for tribute
      Slogan with regard to the Barbary pirates

      Thousands dead by domestic gun owners, not one dead by a terrorist.
      updated slogan…

      Humans aren’t too logical, as who kills you seems of much greater moment that being dead…

    1. fresno dan

      Now that I’m retired, and its winter, I just wandered into a schedule of sleep when I’m sleepy and get up when I’m awake. When you see the first comment on a thread from me, bear in mind I am in CA – so it means I got up at 3 am.
      I usually take an afternoon nap, but I am pretty sleepy by 9 pm.

      Adverse effects? I do seem to be even more cynical than usual – but that may be due to reading even more NC postings….
      ;)

    2. reslez

      The writer in that article was nuts. Why torture yourself like that (unless you want to write an article about how tortured you feel)? It’s probably best to listen to your body. If you don’t naturally feel the desire to take naps or wake up in the middle of the night, don’t force yourself. But if you’re one of those people who roll around in bed for hours at a time unable to fall asleep… your body is probably trying to tell you something (“avoid caffeine and blue light before bed!” could be one of them).

      I was a shift worker for several years. Even now I tend to sleep in two blocks… in winter months I frequently come home from work exhausted, climb into bed and sleep from around 8:00 PM – midnight. I then get up, fix a light snack, and putter around a bit with writing projects. I sleep again from 4:30 AM to 9:30 AM. I won’t say I always feel well-rested, but I certainly don’t feel like a zombie on LSD. I’ve always been a night owl inclined to stay up late and take naps. (When I take naps it’s because I’m tired, and I wake up feeling refreshed.) A lot of my family is nocturnal, and I don’t have school age kids to dictate my schedule. Not all medicines or food work for everyone equally, why should sleep schedules?

  14. Kurt Sperry

    The only scenario I can see Trump potentially actually winning is a Trump-Clinton head to head. Mostly because if Clinton is the nominee, Democratic voter turnout is likely to be at a historic low. This will not only potentially put Trump in the WH (one shudders to think), but means all the down ticket races will be dominated by the GOP as well, so you are likely to see commanding majorities for the Republicans in not only the Congress, but in local and state assemblies and governorships as well right down to dogcatcher. Hillary’s negatives are likely to hand the whole enchilada to the Republicans. If Sanders is the nominee, the polling looks like having the exact opposite effect–large voter turnouts, a lot of crossover and independent voters (now the largest single category of voters) bleeding off support for the Republican slates and the Republicans likely to suffer huge losses at all levels. Sanders-Trump head to head is a landslide for Sanders in every poll I’ve seen. To borrow a meme the corporate Democrats always like to use to sugar coat their poo sandwiches, “Think of the Supreme Court!”

    There is also the matter of corruption, which is currently a huge existential threat to the whole American democratic process. Hillary’s donor list is a rogue’s gallery of ultra-wealthy special interests who have to an alarming degree captured the machineries of both legacy parties. This frightens me more than even the prospect of a Trump administration. I don’t believe for a second she will ever bite the hand that feeds her, even if doing so would clearly be in the national interest. A Clinton administration, like most administrations, will work for her donors above all else. Whatever you might think of Trump, he has almost no monetary support from–and therefore no allegiance to–Wall St. and the largely stateless multinationals who dominate American party politics. Trump has spoken favorably about Wall St. and banking regulation, about universal single-payer health care, about his staunch opposition to the TPP and associated multilateral trade deals. Assuming Trump doesn’t torch off WWIII or race wars, he as president is likely to be more progressive on significant areas of policy that are important to me than either his Republican rivals or Clinton. He is right wing on cultural and identity politics issues no doubt, just as Hillary is often left wing on those issues, but those issues aren’t as important to me as the larger issue of the corruption of the entire political process by moneyed interests.

    I won’t under *any* circumstances vote for anyone whose donor list is filled with big contributions from Wall St. financial institutions, multinational corporations, private corrections ghouls, health insurance companies who should not even be allowed to exist, cable monopolies etc. etc.

    Read this list of Clinton’s top campaign donors: (link removed)

    and compare it to Trump’s donor list, both in terms of who is giving and the amounts given: (link removed, but both to opensecrets pages you can find)

    Trump owes those special interests–even those who have contributed to his campaign–almost literally nothing.

    1. yual

      The Democratic elites would rather lose with Clinton and maintain their tenuous grasp on regional power and lucrative post-politics careers, than win majorities with Sanders and be given the opportunity to affect real change. (This is of course under a hypothetical where Sanders as the nominee leads to congressional majorities, which is conceivable but never a guarantee.)

    2. different clue

      Would Trump in the WH really shudderize you more than Clinton in the WH would shudderize you?
      If so, why?

  15. abynormal

    got a post waiting …update is 14 Dead & 14 or more at the ER
    no children hurt…gunman still at large

  16. craazyman

    all right, well I’m not really for Trump. that was just a goof yesterday, just a gag on my part. I haven’t paid any attention at all to anything he said anyway. I never did, not once. But this. “we have to take out their families”. Oh man, did he really say that? He must have because it’s on tape on the CNN web site. maybe he is every bit the embicle his critics say he is. Goodbye Trump, no presidential support for you anymore. now who? Sanders I guess. It was always Sanders, to my credit, give the Sanders/Trump ticket I’ve been pushing. I wonder what dumb-ass thing he’ll say. I don’t know since I don’t pay them any attention, but if he does say some dumb ass thing, then post it. otherwise I won’t know. I”m a Sanders guy now, at least right now. if he wants Trump as his VP then he better have a straight talk with Trump about flapping his jaws when a microphone is in the vicinity.

    1. jrs

      Take out their families, so Trump would implement Obama’s policy in other words. Obama already has “taken out their families” with Anwar al-Awlaki’s son, also a U.S. citizen, never given due process.

      “The most controversial drone strike took place on Oct. 14, 2011, when 16-year-old Abdulrahman was killed by U.S. forces.

      Family of the Denver-born teenager say he had no ties to terrorist organizations and was unjustly targeted because of his father”

      The sad part is if I talk about this stuff, and sure some people write about it (Greenwald etc.) but how many people will even know what I am talking about, not so much here, but out there in the world? Does history go back 2 minutes? It’s “ooh Donald Trump bad, Trump saying bad things” and I have no love for the guy either, but without acknowledging that such things are U.S. policy (at least in one case).

      1. Oregoncharles

        Drones, of necessity, target their families as a matter of routine – because they target everyone in the vicinity. There are also the strikes based on, eg, a SIM card, which could easily be in use by someone else – someone close to the target.

      2. optimader

        I’m guessing Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols extended families wont be voting for their own demise?

      3. Kurt Sperry

        Is that really any worse than Obama’s “double tap” strikes to kill or maim any medical help that arrives at the scene of a strike?

      4. fresno dan

        “The sad part is if I talk about this stuff, and sure some people write about it (Greenwald etc.) but how many people will even know what I am talking about,…”
        +1000
        EXACTLY….
        War is horrible, which is why it should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
        Ask yourself this: Which is worse?
        A: Trump – openly states take out their families
        B: US government as a WHOLE – precision, surgical drone strike implies no innocents are killed…
        and if a hospital get blown to smithereens – unintentional!!!!
        Trump says in-artfully, with no the guile or lawyerly doublespeak, what we already are doing…
        what you can get away with, using nice words.

  17. optimader

    The thing with Rahm is that he whines in a cranky way that he is taking full responsibility, then he whines when it comes to actually taking responsibility in a meaningful way.. scratch that and make it any way..
    McCarthy offed and we’ll form an investigative committee of the usual suspects ! Done, done and done! nothing further to see here.
    How about indictments of the other cops standing around smoking butts that were there and did not intervene or file a complaint?. How about the police report false narrative of L. McDonald approaching in an aggressive manner, however it was worded. He was walking away in fact. So who wrote and signed off on that report? Where is that indictment for submitting false evidence in a police report, potentially a felony murder?

    Then on the flip side is the 9yo Tyshawn Lee who was capped execution style as a retaliation directed at the gangbanger father . Where is the community outrage about the gang violence?

    How about the mother using the funds raised from a gofundme campaign ostensibly for funeral expenses to instead buy a new car and the father similarly running a gofundme campaign hustling teeshirts w/ his dead sons picture? WTF is that about? Acceptable behavior?

    1. Virginia Simson

      It’s so charming to watch Rahm and Alvarez play out the The Circular Firing Squad game!

      Rahm’s excuse he’s elected is such Third Way bafflespeak. And she knows she’s up for run off in March. Both should resign NOW and set the stage for some trust.

      You’dda thunk Homan Square would have been enough.

  18. Oregoncharles

    “Those subgroups are also the three most important and powerful when it comes to deciding the GOP nominee in 2016″ [WaPo]. Hence the Cruz quotes yesterday.”

    So why is he polling 10 points behind Trump – apparently a stable margin? Granted, he isn’t a TV personality (which Trump is still playing, you notice).

    the Republicans face a conundrum: Trump’s numbers aren’t enough to win, even the nomination, ordinarily. But there’s no one positioned to consolidate a winning margin from the others. Might be an entertaining convention (next May?).

    1. lambert strether

      If Karl Rove, bless his heart, were still in action, he’d go for Trump’s strength, which I would argue is his billionaire status. I bet if Trump’s books were opened, he’d be no billionaire, and Rove is the sort of person who could open them (or fake having them opened). Make Trump’s billions unreal, and nothing else about him will be real.

  19. ewmayer

    “If consciousness is a secondary byproduct of physical laws, and if those laws are causally closed – meaning that everything in the world is explained by them (as physicalists claim) – then consciousness becomes truly irrelevant.”

    Not to its possessors, it doesn’t! As soon as ‘zombies’ can subjectively experience pain, and engage in irrational behavior … Although I admit that some days, before that first cup of coffee…

    1. craazyman

      it’s no wonder the big boys use math.

      it’s bong hit time in the peanut gallery. if you take a few bong hits and put on some Led Zepplin (you may have to do this in a museum of 20th century living) buut let’s say you still have the old albums and put them on. or maybe Yes. Anybody remember them? You could smoke a few joints or bong hits with a Yes album on and forget you’re alive.

      then you have a deep thought, so deep it amazes and astounds you. could you have thought of something that’s actually in the realm of genius? it’s not only possible, it just happened! fortunately you have a pen and paper to write it down, for history.

      then you write it down and later on, after you climb down from the clouds, you eagerly find your note, your note of genius and you read “consciousness makes physical laws physical”

      It is for a moment simply confusing. was that it? wasn’t there more? somehow a universe of meaning was packed in your mind right into that though that you wrote down. Now it seems empty. it seems trivial or even incoherent. this is a bit disappointing, since genius should flare like the sun under any and all conditions. this isnt even a candle, or if it is, it’s a birthday cake candle, one of those thin little things with a spiral wax job that burns for a minute before it gets blown out.

        1. optimader

          Clearwater Symphony.. serious time machine stuff since I last heard that

          Here, check this out, try and follow Giles drum .This is a singularly great album
          M&G were in the original King Crimson lineup. Mindnumbing stuff on a fourway hit of windowpane so I’ve been told played on a double set of Advents.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMff9CM7yPU
          McDonald and Giles – McDonald and Giles (Full Album 1971)
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Giles
          Giles’ technique is complex and polyrhythmic, owing heavily to the jazz tradition, but grounding it in an aggressive rock context. Giles orchestrated much of the compositional structure of the first Crimson album In the Court of the Crimson King,[1] and his ability to weave challenging yet seamless tempo changes and subtle melodic deviations into a piece is not only evident in the compositions, but also in his highly elaborate and skilled drumming.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_and_Giles

      1. ambrit

        Sorry Craazyman, but I think you just described a Psilocybin mushroom ‘experience.’ Someone has been dosing your weed, dude. It could be those creeps from Citi. Don’t be like Icarus and fly too high. Even the Led Zep knew that. (Their record labels’ logo was Icarus for Fneeps sake!)
        Keep on truckin!

        1. optimader

          No kidding Ambrit that is the case, according to a friend of mine, anyway. Craazyman better look into the wholesomeness of his weed.
          At worst CM should only be waking up in the morning next to an empty crumpled Family Size Doritos bag, w/a bit of Nacho cheese dust on his shirt, drymouth and a case of self loathing.

          Led Zepplin (you may have to do this in a museum of 20th century living) buut let’s say you still have the old albums and put them on. or maybe Yes. Anybody remember them?
          FYI
          LZep like many legacy R&R franchises are re-releasing remastered albums on vinyl (as well more contemporary artist that give a shit or at least comprehend the concept of hi-fidelity).

          If you can lay your hands on vintage vinyl record pressing equipment and can muster someone with the skills to spool it up, you’ll have your 10bagger.

        2. hunkerdown

          “Oh my god it’s side two of Dark Side of the Moon! He’s in a Floyd hole!! Fill the tub with ice, now!!”

    2. Oregoncharles

      I thought the quote about consciousness was essentially empty. It ignores the obvious fact: that consciousness is itself a physical phenomenon, part of the functioning of our brains. There was recently a series on the brain on PBS; one episode was about consciousness, described as primarily the arbiter among the various processes – you could call them factions – going on in the brain. We are multiple.

      The real issue is free will. Barring a random number generator in there, that may be an illusion. In practice, it, too, just refers to a mental process.

      1. Jagger

        It ignores the obvious fact:that consciousness is itself a physical phenomenon, part of the functioning of our brains.

        It may “seem” obvious but the problem is proving it without using the concept of magic. Although a lot depends on what definition of consciousness we are using.

        I think the primary problem is the apparent impossibility of directly measuring subjective feelings. Indirect measurements leave too many questions open as to origin of consciousness.

      2. lambert strether

        The question, then, would become why such an illusion would have arisen in nature, it (presumably) being adaptive.

        1. NotTimothyGeithner

          Evolution is about good enough or not a detriment to survival, not whether a particular adaption is perfectly efficient. As long as consciousness isn’t killing us, it’s okay. Our genes are always mutating from generation to generation. Inheritable adaptions don’t develop in an individual or set of individuals in response to external stimuli*. Those conscious individuals passed on their genes because they were likely better suited to dealing with natural selection because they got more action or were better able to protect offspring. Consciousness and any adaption came from a mutation which could be passed on, not a reaction to an external stimuli.

          *The environment can shape the mutation process.

          1. lambert strether

            The brain takes a lot of energy. One would assume that consciousness takes some of that energy. Ergo, a zombie, without consciousness, would have an advantage over a human, with consciousness. So one would have expected zombies to have taken over. Oh, wait…

      3. Jagger

        Andrew Truscott, the Australian scientist who spearheaded the helium work, noted in Physics Today that ‘99.999 per cent of physicists would say that the measurement… brings the observable into reality’. In other words, human subjectivity is drawing forth the world

        This struck me in the article. As expressed in this article, it seems intent or desire or curiosity or intersection of thought, some form of consciousness, is required to convert a field into matter. I didn’t think it was such a settled conclusion among physicists.

        1. Jagger

          Thinking about it further, I would guess the article author incorrectly or only partially paraphrased the statement correctly. The statement uses the word measurement. Measurement needs to be precisely defined by the scientist. Maybe he meant primarily human subjectivity and maybe not. Although it is possible he meant human subjectivity and if so, that would be an important conclusion amonst physicists.

    3. Gaianne

      “If consciousness is a secondary byproduct of physical laws, and if blah, blah, blah . . .

      And if not?

      These guys are assuming their conclusions. Inexcusable.

      –Gaianne

  20. Jeff W

    Oh, no, David Chalmers and his consciousness “problem” appears, zombie-like, again!

    From the article:

    Physicalism further allows us to imagine a world without consciousness, a ‘zombie world’ that looks exactly like our own, peopled with beings who act exactly like us but aren’t conscious. Such zombies have no feelings, emotions or subjective experience; they live lives without qualia. As Chalmers has noted, there is literally nothing it is like to be zombie. And if zombies can exist in the physicalist account of the world, then, according to Chalmers, that account can’t be a complete description of our world, where feelings do exist: something more is needed, beyond the laws of nature, to account for conscious subjective experience.

    Yeah, we’re “allow[ed]…to “imagine” that but there would be no evolutionary reason that such a world could exist—in other words, there would be no reason why non-conscious people would act “exactly like us”—that is, talk about feelings, emotions, and subjective experience—if they, in fact, had none.

    Seeing is not the “subjective experience” of some behavior—it is the behavior; blindsight (where a person can respond, somewhat zombie-like, to visual stimuli but is unaware of the visual stimuli he is responding to) is different behavior. Chalmers’ thought experiment—which implicitly treats the two as the same—is a false—and misleading—one.

    The Aeon piece places Chalmers firmly in the property dualist camp:

    Chalmers, the philosopher, claims that the problem of experience is not mechanistically reducible and he argues that it will ‘persist even when the performance of all the relevant functions is explained’. In other words, he says, no amount of detail about neuronal potentials and interconnection is going to get us to the essence of subjectivity.

    John Searle, on the other hand, gets it right [PDF]. He says what we experience being a property of the structure of the brain is no more of a problem than is solidity being a property of molecular structure. He says:

    We are to think of consciousness [in the property dualism view] as like the frosting on the cake of the brain (and in its panpsychist version, the frosting on the whole universe). The frosting is definitely something distinct from the cake and is on top of (over and above). It. That, I have argued, is a wrong picture. The right picture, if we are going persist in the metaphor of the cake, is that consciousness is the state that the cake (brain) is in. On the property dualist view we are supposed to think that consciousness is a property of the brain. But consider actual properties of the brain, like weight, shape, color, solidity, etc. Nobody says that these properties of the brain “arise from”, or are “over and above” the brain. The official claim is that consciousness is a property, not a thing, object or substance. But that is inconsistent with the conception of consciousness as something that is “over and above” the brain, that the brain “gives rise to”. This conception requires that consciousness be a separate thing, object or nonproperty type of entity. The dualism in property dualism forces them to postulate a separate entity. Ironically the very dualism of the property dualist picture makes it impossible to state the theory without oxymoron.

    1. Jagger

      Yeah, we’re “allow[ed]…to “imagine” that but there would be no evolutionary reason that such a world could exist—in other words, there would be no reason why non-conscious people would act “exactly like us”—that is, talk about feelings, emotions, and subjective experience—if they, in fact, had none.

      I think the point is that you could imagine the exact same world acting just like us but without the discussion of feelings, emotions, etc. since they lack our form of consciousness. Otherwise, it would be exactly the same. So if I understand the argument correctly, I believe Chalmer’s argument still stands, we can imagine ‘people just like us but aren’t conscious (no feelings, emotions, etc).

      Chalmers, the philosopher, claims that the problem of experience is not mechanistically reducible and he argues that it will ‘persist even when the performance of all the relevant functions is explained’. In other words, he says, no amount of detail about neuronal potentials and interconnection is going to get us to the essence of subjectivity.

      I actually agree because of the problem of directly measuring consciousness. We can only indirectly measure feelings by noting brain activity. Why can’t we directly measure a feeling? How could we possibly directly measure a feeling? Without direct measurement, too many questions remain open about the ultimate source of consciousness.

      John Searle, on the other hand, gets it right [PDF]. He says what we experience being a property of the structure of the brain is no more of a problem than is solidity being a property of molecular structure.

      My problem with this is a feeling is not comparable to a property. Feelings are unpredictable and unmeasureable. A property is measurable and predictable. So I have great difficulty comparing the two and accepting they are the same basic phenomenum.

  21. nothing but the truth

    Ag: “It’s very, very hard to lose money on farmland” [Agrimoney]. “Farmland Partners, which floated in New York last year with holdings of a little over 7,000 acres of US farmland, saw its portfolio pass 100,000 acres this week, with a $31.8m purchase of land in Louisiana. … This is in part because the group’s model relies on renting out land to growers, rather than farming the plots itself, besides capital appreciation.”

    this is why ZIRP will lead to financiers taking over all the real economy.

    you need reasonable interest rates otherwise inequality.

  22. lambert strether

    I’d be interested to know if any New York readers have thoughts on the likehihood of [genuflects] Andrew Cuomo being indicted.

    1. Pat

      Lambert, one thing I sincerely hope to be wrong about is my belief that little Andy Cuomo will NOT be indicted any time in the near future. I don’t discount it eventually, but not in this round. Hell, it won’t surprise me if we find his fingers have been in this from the beginning, a fall back position once his commission went rogue and started looking at him and had to be disbanded.

      If Cuomo gets indicted, I promise to bake Pret a cake and apologize profusely for doubting him.

    2. Virginia Simson

      Us real lefties on Facebook tried to get a movement against Cuomo’s corruption going. Not surprisingly, it did not take. People would rather focus on Christie, as attacks on Repugs is so much easier to stir up.

      One problem is that he’s just not quite as repugnant as Rahm. His father died; his girlfriend has multiple surgeries. The press puts a nice human face on him. Rahm hired a PR firm to confess to his lack of Warm Fuzzies; in NYS the press hands Cuomo opportunities to look “nice”.

      Another problem is that he hires sweet-mouthed flaks to provide him cover who can do a spin at the drop of a hat.

      NYS is No. 1 in corruption. No. 1. Every time we get close to exposing Cuomo, he starts the attacks on deB, which are now about deB;s administration’s lack of management skills about homelessness. :rolling eyes: Just expect more of the same.

  23. skippy

    In full length…

    Key member of Swedish Academy of Sciences calls for immediate suspension of the “Nobel Prize for Economics”
    October 11, 2015 Edward Fullbrook Leave a comment Go to comments

    Bo Rothstein, an important member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, has today in Sweden’s most widely read newspaper called for an immediate declaration of a moratorium on the awarding of Sveriges Riksbank Prize for Economics in the name of Nobel and the Nobel Foundation.

    Rothstein’s article argues that today with increasing success, economics as commonly taught in universities and endorsed by most winners of the economics prize promotes corruption in societies around the world. Therefore he concludes that the Nobel Foundation’s awarding the economics prize is “in direct conflict with what Alfred Nobel decreed in his will.”

    “I will,” writes Rothstein, “therefore now take the initiative in this matter.”

    Below is a Google-translation of Rothstein’s article. If someone can provide us with a better translation, we will post it.

    The Prize in contravention of the spirit of Nobel’s will

    Can contribute to increased corruption. Multiple independent research shows that those who study economics are more prone to corruption. And the behavior seems to be an effect of education. A price that risk contribute to increased corruption in the world is in conflict with the spirit of Nobel’s will, writes political science professor Bo Rothstein.

    Recent research has shown that corruption is a broader social problem than previously considered case. When comparing countries, finds research negative effects of corruption on almost every measure of human welfare such as infant mortality , economic prosperity , life expectancy, the number of children living in poverty , access to clean water , the number of women who die in childbirth , willingness to fix environmental problems and more. Corruption has also recently been shown to be an important explanation for both the civil war between the states.

    Furthermore, the corruption also have strong links with more subjective measures such as the extent to which people consider themselves satisfied with their life, consider themselves to be happy and to what extent they believe they can generally rely on other people. Although measurements of the degree of corruption in various countries are associated with certain difficulties can well appreciate that more than seventy percent of the world population lives in countries with dysfunctional social institutions. This means that in itself is not lack of capital, skills or natural resources is the main problem but precisely corruption in public institutions.

    There is of course no modern societies that are free of corruption, such a thing would be as utopian as a society free from crime. However, it is important to point out that widespread corruption is by no means something that only exists in developing countries. Several analyzes of, for example, Greece and Italy’s economic problems, pointing out precisely corruption as a root cause. There are also analyzes indicate that financial market collapse in 2008 can be explained in terms of corruption. As well as the level of crime, the degree of corruption among different communities. Societies that have comparatively low corruption usually most measures, to be countries in northwestern Europe as well as Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Compared with neighboring countries cope Botswana, Chile and Estonia well.

    The causes of corruption are manifold, but a surprising result is that the population in countries with severe corruption is by no means internalize this behavior as part of their culture. On the contrary, they take in general strongly reject such behavior, and they also realize that corruption is difficult damaging their communities. The reason that they participate in this business is that they do not perceive that they have no real choice. The goods hardly be the only one in the village who do not pay the doctor under the table to get medical care for their children. It is probably not only useless but also dangerous to try to be the only honest police of a Mexican police force. Corruption is, in other words a so-called “frequency problem” in the sense that if one believes that the “all others” involved in this shady business so most either had to join or you see it as futile to resist.

    A question then is where these ideas about “what everyone else is doing” comes from. The evidence suggests that these are generated by the political and economic elite of society occurs. If they are known to engage in all sorts of irregularities spreads this quickly downwards in the community. The German proverb “fish rots from the head down” seems to fit. The ethics of management for companies and public institutions shows up plays a big role and therefore the ethical dimension in the training of these groups is of great importance.

    One problem in this regard is that there are interesting differences when one examines the perceptions of these ethical problems that the different university programs generate. Multiple independent research shows that those who study economics are more prone to corruption than those studying other subjects. This first appeared in a number of so-called experimental studies that put the students in various hypothetical situations. These have recently been supplemented by a study done on real data by René Ruske (published in the journal Kyklos 2015) as compared to members of Congress in the United States. His study shows that those members who have a degree in economics has had twice the risk of having been involved in corruption compared to those without this training. Reason for these results seems to be that there is an ideological element in business studies that emphasize the importance of selfish behavior – the notion of a so-called “homo economicus”. The experimental research additionally shows that this dysfunctional behavior is not just something the students bring to the program, but it is often an effect of what they learn.

    These results are troubling because the economist training both as comprehensive and well often leads to high positions in society. It is also problematic in light of Sweden distributes one of the world’s most prestigious scientific awards in the subject, namely the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, in everyday speech the Nobel Prize in economics. The price was not found in Alfred Nobel’s original testament of 1895 but were added by a donation from Sweden Riksbank in 1968. Responsible party for the dividend is the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.

    The price has been controversial partly because it was felt that economics is not a science of the same magnitude as for example physics and chemistry, partly because they considered it politicized as it is often distributed to economists who preached market liberalism choice. The first critical point, I consider incorrect but the other may have some justification for it. The problem I raise here is, however, of a much higher order. If it turns out that university education in economics, as it usually seems to occur, leading to increased tolerance to corruption is in the light of the above research findings very seriously. The Prize will then be in direct contravention of Alfred Nobel’s will, which stipulated that prices would be awarded to “those who, during the preceding year, shall have the greatest benefit on mankind.” A price that risk contribute to increased corruption in the world is of course the opposite.

    As a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, I will therefore now take the initiative in this matter should be urgently investigated. It turns out that these results have resistance must Sciences, whether to be true to its own ideals, quit his dedication to select the prize winners. The overall picture of research results provide arguably suggest that until such an investigation is completed, a moratorium should be declared on the price, that is, it should not be distributed. Nobel Foundation, which is responsible for the award ceremony, should also consider whether you really should concern itself with a price the effects of which can be in direct conflict with what Alfred Nobel decreed in his will.

    Bo Rothstein, Professor of Political Science at the Universities of Gothenburg and Oxford.

    Dagens nyheter, 11 October 2015

    https://rwer.wordpress.com/2015/10/11/key-member-of-swedish-academy-of-sciences-calls-for-immediate-suspension-of-the-nobel-prize-for-economics/

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