Whoops, sorry for the early posting. Military time always gets me; I’ve missed trains this way! I did the time arithmetic twice, too! –lambert
The Debate starts in one-half hour, at 9:00PM EST. Please add your comments as the debate proceeds! (Also, I assume there will be any number of live feeds besides NBC, MSNBC, and Telemundo, so I hope readers will recommend any they find especially smooth. This may vary by region!)
Here is the live blog from the first debate, and here is a cheat sheet.
For me, the last debate had several unexpected turns: I expected Warren to dominate, but the moderators protected her on climate change and foreign policy. Will the moderators protect Biden, who seems to be avoiding press scrutiny?
Nor did I expect Beto to break into Spanish (an issue in California), and I also didn’t expect immigration policy and the border to emerge as a top issue (although I suppose that should have been obvious from the media/NGO build-up beforehand).
Of course, that segment was pure virtue signaling, since in less than 24 hours, this headline appeared: “House passes $4.6 billion border bill as leaders cave to moderate Democrats and GOP. Since the “Democrats will debate on doorstep of Miami’s black community”, a similar issue on which the Democrats could virtue signal on and then not deliver would be reparations; if that happens, we might get an indication of how Sanders and his staffers are working together.
Good luck, America! Readers, enjoy!
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Let me get this in early, since I’m under perpetual moderation here for being a very bad hombre.
There will be an interesting thread again for the debate tonight at Joanne Leon.
Didnt the Stormcrows help Tyrion Lannister on the Kings Road?
good stuff @stormcrow
Now lets see who gets the most Google search traffic during the debate and how Sanders does in it. Hopefully Google has fixed their search algorithm so there won’t be another embarrassing result like happened yesterday with Gabbard.
An inside source tells me most of last night’s debate searches were actually variations of “Tulsi Gabbard Bikini Pics”.
Nah, it was actually “Tulsi Gabbard Bikini with M60 Pics”. Second most was “Beto O’Rourke/Cory Booker with Spanish Phrasebook Pics’.
If true it’s not ideal but it worked for Sarah Palin. One minute all the old white guys I knew were sharing photoshopped bikini pix of her, the next they were diehard Tea Party loons ranting about the Kenyan Marxist coming for their guns and bibles. If Tulsi can rally the nation’s idiot bros and lonely old men around her policies and ideas that would be wonderful. Never underestimate the power of sex appeal on the minds of men. It can make us walk off a cliff and not have a second thought about it. Sad, but true.
But it’s nice if you can get that with anti-war and anti-imperialism.
Truly one of the few win-win situations on offer!
Gabbard is sexy. Those black pants fit mighty nice. Heres to hoping Duffel Blog riffs on that.
Marianne Williamson. I half think she will. “Who the heck is ..”
I wonder how Ms. Hillary Clinton feels right now…hmmm
From twitter I can see Gabbard’s comments about war really got a lot of attention.
You made me curious so I went to Hill’s twitter and her most recent post was to promote a pledge for gender parity in national security hiring.
Some things never change. :(
https://www.lcwins.org/pledge
75,836 people watching the Bernie Sanders Twitch channel right now.
https://www.twitch.tv/bernie_sanders
Does Bernie have an independent camera at the event?
That is an excellent idea, we should all make sure there are independent recordings of bernie when he is before the public. Do an end run around the media.
That’s 75,836 unique page views. The stream itself only pulled in around 17k people, and a third left when they found out the pre-debate show consisted of a bunch of jawing staffers.
The campaign seems to be missing the point of the platform, which is one-on-one interaction. If instead, Sanders had somehow been placed in front of a cheap webcam with a headset on, the viewers would’ve lost their minds. Well, there’s always next time.
Also, the stream started 15 minutes late, played the US national anthem, then (hilariously) 10 seconds of the Soviet (or Russian?) anthem. The dangers of Youtube autoplay.
Yes, it would be much better if Bernie got on there personally and live chatted about current events, setting the record straight and re framing issues which are getting distorted in the MSM. Similar to how Trump uses Twitter. This first stream was not what I hoped for at all. The presenters were anodyne, nobody wants to watch another young turks style thing. The chat was funny though!
Bernies going after gamers…
Smart Move. They can help mobilize in the upcoming months.
Let’s see if they can keep Bernie in the same cage they put Tulsi in. I can’t imagine they’ll be helpful or even polite to him. I expect “debate” questions such as:
Senator Sanders, are you current in your communist party dues?
Bernie, when did you last speak to Vladimir Putin?
How often are you wrong about FDR?
Is your wife still laundering money for beach houses through small liberal arts colleges?
Do you know how to pay for anything, or do you regularly leave restaurants without paying your bill?
Bonus question: explain why anyone should continue to pay attention to you when your views are shared by everyone on stage?
This one: “explain why anyone should continue to pay attention to you when your views are shared by everyone on stage?“
This is the one that baffles me. In any slightly sane society a person that transformed the entire platform of a political party overnight would be the obvious choice for leader of that party. Only the Dems are dumb/arrogant enough to portray that person as a fringe loon and rally behind Biden who hasn’t had a relevent idea in 40 years.
I don’t know either. But it’s been the main stream party line for a while now. “Bernie should drop out because he’s old, white, male, and his opinions are not unique. He’s not even a real Democrat. And he doesn’t support the party. So why is he running for president as a Democrat and picking fights with Biden/Warren/Beto?”
The one that gets me is Bernie the Bomber. Somehow when the pundit class talks about Bernie and Tulsi, it’s only to mention how they coddle dictators.
Coddle (the wrong) dictators. Real Dems coddle our CIA approved dictators. Bernie and Tulsi coddle those filthy democratically elected “dictators” that want to retain natural resources for the benefit of their own nations and not for the enrichment of multinationals. They’re monsters!
Seriously though, only the Dems would have a superstar like Bernie and put all their efforts into sabotaging him. Even the RNC and right wing media was willing to suck it up and get behind Trump when it was clear he was going to win and had a huge base of support. But, as is said often now, “the Dems would rather lose to a Republican than win with a progressive”.
Is the CIA’s purpose to protect national security or financial security? They seem confused at times on their purpose and if they were disbanded would the country notice? Doesn’t the Defense Intelligence Agency do most of the heavy security lifting?
Protecting Big Finance is only the latest thing.
Looking at the CIA actions from the Dulles Brothers onwards, I would say that it is to protect and support all members of the Oligarchy of Money from the 1% to Big Oil to Big Finance from that pesky Democratic Government and the troublesome Rule of Law.
Actually protecting the United States and never mind Americans themselves is like #47 on its to-do list.
Did you notice the shift in Bernie’s message tonight? He said they needed to have the guts to take on Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex, and Big Pharma. I didn’t hear him complain about big banks. I think he’s been compromised!
He said Wall Street too. I think banks fit under that umbrella.
the cia has been the same thing as wall st , since the beginning. . From the days of wild bill donovan and the OSS. Wall street families, have been the decision makers at the cia.
After all…. they figure their security IS national security.
They have all been council on foreign relations members from the beginning, and/or other establishment card carrying members…
So what are they protecting us from anyway? The FBI?(as most terrorist attacks on this country@2/3 involved FBI informants and or their counterparts)
The reason why is simple: the party is not about politics, nor is it about the will of the people or anything else. It is about power and money. It is about keeping the donors happy. It is ethically bankrupt. That is what their true purpose is. Sanders and Gabbard rock the boat and the party establishment will never forgive them for that.
Then the Democrat Party has no recourse but to DIE, taking with them their powdered wigs and rouge into oblivion !
In spite of the short time they gave her, I think Tulsi punched well above her weight.
I was pleasantly surprised.
Suppose any of tonights “no names” can do as well?
I really don’t know. I think people will take enough time to paint Bernie as a front runner so that they then comment on how he didn’t meet expectations for his debate performance. And then they’ll go back to ignoring him and Tulsi. I don’t think any of these no-name tonight are worth a second look.
If anything, the msm appears to say that Biden is the tough guy who can give Trump a rough time.
Maybe Bernie will come out like a wildman and throw a chair Biden’s way to prove that wrong. j/k of course.
Kamala ended up doing that instead.
have the words “but what do you say to…?” ever been followed by anything intelligent in the history of people talking?
Seems like Biden has internalized the decaying petrochemical landscape from the railcar DC to Wilmington I guess. Sad.
Annnd – it’s showtime!
Bernie for the win!
(Too soon?)
Glad Sanders refused to let her framing of the question about Medicare for all resulting in increased taxes stand.
yeah, but he needs to quit with the repetitive old testament exhortations.
thank God she gave him a second chance to answer the question, cuz then at long last he said people WON’T PAY PREMIUMS OR COPAYS OR DEDUCTIBLES so even if their taxes go up they will pay LESS than they do now for healthcare
he almost blew his chance to make that point
The stump speech sentences need to be cut down to phrases. It’s a different medium, and heaven help us, don’t we have twelve of these things to go?
At least Kamala pushed back against the ‘how will we pay for it” meme. Even if she doesn’t plan to do anything about it.
But, no question, Bernie set the agenda for everyone.
Didn’t take long for Biden to go into “Trump is bad – I’m Not-Trump” mode.
yeah, and that’s not gonna do it: it’s not just Bernie who is openly stating the last 40 years have got us where we are
Oh noes! The Republicans will call us socialists!
News flash, Hick – THEY’LL DO THAT ANYWAY! They called frigging Obama a Socialist.
I am still waiting to hear from all those tea party patriots about the deficit. You know the ones that that the media had on speed dial during the Obama administration. Where did you all go??
Hickenlooper really makes me want to slap him.
Hickenlooper is known as Frackenlooper in Colorado. He supported oil and gas against citizen initiatives during his entire term as govenor
Gillebrand:
Capitalism is Okey-Dokey, but greed is bad?
Keynes:
“Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work together for the benefit of all.”
the dumbest thing said so far
no wait
“pass the torch” “pass the torch”
oh and biden responds and gets even stupider
Pubic option, deze nuts.
This guy gets it!!!!
Why are there two empty suits from Colorado? Isn’t one enough?
Gillibrand bulldozing in, trying to wedge herself into existence.
Buttigeig starts speaking with “So.” Is that because he’s under 40?
There are more than two empty suits from Colorado (my home state), but only two are on the stage right now.
that’s a geek to layperson thing as far as I can tell. first noticed it in my sister, who is 50 and an astronomer. then I started hearing it from scientists being interviewed on shows like NOVA on PBS.
This is exactly right. I’m guilty of this, 48 years old, and I have to do a lot of expert explaining to laypeople in my job.
It’s condescending as heck and I should probably cut it out of my mannerisms.
Nah, just wait. It’s okay to be condescending once you turn 50. It’s just unbecoming in whipper-snappers like Buttegeig.
I’d decided that if Mayor Pete didn’t do a spanish bit, I’d not cross him off completely. But nope, he just had to do, didn’t he?
I can’t even watch the debates livestream…keeps dropping
Yang just blanked out.
Then said we’ll take money out of homeless services and health care?
Replaced with VAT and $1,000 bucks a month.
VAT is $3,600 a year per household?
then he went all russia russia russia
no evidence none zero
what do people see in this guy?
$1000 a month. No questions asked.
that’s pretty cheap
especially when it ends up partly paying for new costs/taxes
and sours the water for other, much preferable concrete material benefits
he didn’t put enough material into his material benefit
Why do people keep bringing up this specter of subsidizing rich people’s kids’ college? How many billionaires’ children attend state universities? I am sure we don’t have any at the university I work for.
Nippersmom:
Bingo.
Non-issue.
Also they never read Veblen. The rich have no desire to “mingle with the poors” … ;-) If state colleges and unis became free, I’m pretty sure the wealthy would literally build a new elite set of tertiary education institutions to satisfy their need to differentiate themselves from the proles …
this
Personally, I think we’d all be better off if Billionaire’s kids went to public universities. Might humble them a bit and expose them to how the rest of us live. So, I’m all for it. If billionaires want to get a free education amongst the unwashed masses, let’s encourage it.
Worked for Clinton…
It goes to a fundamentally punitive streak in the U.S., but publicly funded college with no means testing would truly level the playing field…
Rich kids do not go to public colleges– that is what private colleges are for!
I think rich kids go to all sorts of schools, public and private. In the South, it’s common for the elites to go to their state universities. Or to regional private schools of no particular academic distinction. In my observation, the rich mingle with the proles quite well.
Contrary to popular belief, the change over the past sixty years has been that more and more very smart people from across the country go to Ivies and Ivy equivalents. This was a reaction to Sputnik. Before Sputnik, the IQ of a Harvard freshman was only about two points higher than a State U. freshman. Today, it’s probably twenty points. This change has lots of implications.
…and we all know the value of an IQ test. Right?
As someone I knew in Boulder liked to say when the lady’s did not take to his shine – were did you go to school …. followed by … at least I went to a real University … Vassar …
Must have been where he picked up the epic Coke and Booze binge groundhog day thingy too ….
Canadian kids don’t have a lot of student debt when they get out of college and they don’t have to worry about health care costs. But that is not possible in the US because we are exceptional.
Why doesn’t someone point out that all high school children get free public education. The same argument could be made – that we shouldn’t be giving government subsidies to the rich by paying for their high school education? The rich don’t attend ‘public ‘ high schools, they attend exclusive private prep schools just as they largely attend private colleges.
actually they do, cuz of the way schools are funded. enclaves like the North Shore of Chicago and Palo Alto, CA have fabulous public schools but you gotta be able to afford the property taxes.
They’re desperate for any way to limit the program. The more limited, the more you need gatekeepers and complicated rules to keep people *out* of the program. And the more you do that, the more unpopular the program becomes…
…so it’s easier to kill it later.
“The more limited, the more you need gatekeepers and complicated rules to keep people *out* of the program.” And the more elites get jobs as gatekeepers — a very important element of the grand plan!
Hey, my local public school is good, and the rich kids in the district are happy to go it for ‘free’–I mean, we all pay school tax (directly through property tax, whether we pay that or rent to the landlord who pays it.)
If the price of the administrative simplicity of having one system for public schools (rather than means testing everyone) is that some rich people don’t have to pay tuition, so what? Why would I rather invest my tax dollars in the administrative infrastructure to screen out rich people (and who’s the rich? The top 0.1%? top 1%? top 10%? The top 20%? Do you have to pay partial tuition at certain income levels? I’d much rather let my tax dollars provide free education for some rich kids at public school than pay for that headache.
I feel the same way toward the people who whine about the unfairness of wiping out the student debt. Sure, it would be nice to have a credit for those of us who paid off their loans, or rewarded us for choosing less debt. But 1. college used to cost much less, so the debts aren’t comparable 2. college degrees used to produce more income so the debt trap was as deep and 3. the economic stimulus unleashed by wiping out the debt would help everybody, much more effectively than the ‘stimulus’ of tax cuts for the greedy rich.
Beautiful argument. I was unconvinced by the idea of forgiving debt. You convinced me.
Bernie should pick up your three simple points!
Agreed. You should be able to get the message across to the Bernie people. Join the Bernie volunteer Slack channel and you should be able to get in touch with actual employees of the campaign.
so they can means test and ruin the whole thing
Moreover, how many “billionaire” parents take out loans to send their kids to college? The list could probably fit in the space below:
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I’m in!!!! :-D
Someone get Gillibrand a clue!!
” …when capitalists care more about profits than people …”
Someone find that Joan Robinson quote.
Watching these abrasive clowns makes me fume. I had to turn it off. Kakistocracy isn’t quite the right word… moronocracy?
Hideocracy
is it my imagination or has there been a lot more chest-beating tonight as compared to last night?
led by Gillibrand and Biden
Harris just blatantly plagiarizing Sanders stump speech.
Ha! Who says #establishmentDems have learned nothing?! ;-)
Kirsten Gillibrand’s trap door has malfunctioned. Someone get the shepherd’s crook.
yeah, she’s really showing out
So, she’s a spider ?? Who knew !
Better watch to see if her pedipalps are moving ..
Biden playing the dead family card.
He is shameless.
Moderator calls on Sanders, Gillibrand tries override him, Harris takes over… with “foodfight” line…
Buttigieg: “Who allows the phrase ‘Medicare for All’ to escape their lips….
…has a responsibility to explain how we get there (and pay for it)”
…now, about that war I was in
Go Bern!
LIVE: Democratic Presidential Debate – June 27 | NBC News at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hni-zGD8
Just saw an idiot presenter ask about how health care can be done when the States can’t do it. Sanders took a brick bat to him and said the rest of the world are already doing it in an extended answer. The idiot presenter then asked the same question again. Jee-zuz!
As Joanne Leon tweeted, “this is a sh*t show”
It’s stacked against Bernie Sanders. People are also noticing the audience is packed with primarily Biden and Harris supporters.
How many of those people on stage are already on a government health insurance? Right? As senators and whatnot….
privileged people and their health problems. Sanders not about self, good noone wants to know his health problems, they want healthcare.
Kamala is a phony, but she’s pretty good at repartee.
Manages to insert canned “pwogwessive” sentiments at just the right moment.
Gillebrand still pushing Pubic Option, “pay a percentage they can afford”, just like Obamacare.
Buttegieg pretending M4A advocates never said how they’d get there, should read the Medicare for All Act of 2019″
Bernie reminds bullshitters that Every other country pays 50% of American Health costs.
Tell the insurance and the drug companies their day is gone.
Kamala thinks $5000 deductibles at the emergency room is bad.
Everyone raises hand for healthcare for undocumented immigrants. We’ll see about that. Hell, citizens can’t get it.
I still wish Bernie would just go #FullMMT (how do you pay for … ?) … I guess I’ll have to wait for the #AOC presidential run … #AOC2028
Don’t be silly. MMT only applies to military spending.
#MilitaryMoneyTheory … LOL #Fact
And new BMWs (tax cuts).
it hurts so much because it’s true
Biden says he wants to put pharma executives in jail lol
Joe’s got jokes … :-D
I enjoyed him letting strapped student debtors off the hook as long as they don’t make $25K.
One of the biggest flaws of the Democratic Party is means-testing everything.
Debt relief for music and fine arts students only!
Do musical theatre majors count?
biden is Baddd
Biden suddenly wants to hold big insurance and big pharma accountable . Wonder why he had no interest in doing so when he was in office.
His idea of holding big insurance and big pharma accountable is the same as his idea of holding the big banks accountable, which means that they increase regulations that act as barriers to entry to competition and make it unlikely that small companies and startups can compete with the established firms.
Maybe he’ll tell them to “knock it off!”? /s
No, he will assure them that nothing whatsoever will change. And if he is president, that is a solid-gold guarantee!
Yes!
Interesting how everyone chimes in to trash health insurance companies (thanks Bernie) but then 8 of 10 insist that they should be protected.
This “debate” is just awful. I’d rather they bring the candidates out one-at-a-time for 12 minutes each. That, or make them compete in something akin to Battle of the Network Stars.
agreed.
Agreed, this is wretched.
I’m so full of loathing right now watching this, it’s enough to drive me mad. My god, the horrendous levels of glam and trash in the lighting and the show and spectacle aspects of it. The commercial breaks, and their frequency… kill me. And I really find myself wishing these were filmed with no audience at all, but that wouldn’t do, would it?
I didn’t bother to watch either night; we don’t have teevee and finding a functioning live stream didn’t seem worth the effort. The very nature of these “events” — lamestream “moderators” who are corrupt and owned by their corporate media employers; the format; the fact that they are staged by the DNC and corporate media; and especially all those useless, pathetic, unserious “candidates”…rendered the whole night a complete, utter joke. A waste of time, unless you were looking for a great excuse to get stoned or drunk — and if you did, there’s probably no better buzzkill.
After these last two nights, maybe a whole bunch of the non-serious campaigns will have to fold up. Gee, that’ll be a shame.
I don’t believe that Good Ole Joe would be willing to put anybody from PhRMA’s C-suite members in jail. Not for a minute do I believe this.
+1
From Twitter @RonPlacone
“It’ll be awkward for Joe Biden putting insurance industry execs in jail right after he has a fundraising dinner at their houses:
To be fair, many might consider dinner with Joe Biden to be imprisonment
So, will the next “debates” exclude the first ten who didn’t “make the cut?”
No wonder they’re so desperate.
Biden is especially…flaccid.
These sound-bite sized responses don’t favor Bernie, who actually has something to say.
Moderators making sure to feed questions to Kamala The Prrrogrressivvve.
Did Biden say opiords?
Yep.
Now, now… he’d hardly have a worthwhile opinion, without adequate, first hand, personal research?
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/28/msdnc-single-payer-and-the-serenity-prayer/
Harris sounds all teary-voiced. Awww.
I should not have eaten before watching this.
Hmmm… seems like quite a bit more comments tonight than at this point last night
(seat of the pants est.)
“State sponsored crimes” – Williamson calling it by its right name
Yeah. Kudos to her.
+1
Gillibrand: “Trump has torn apart the moral fabric of this country.”
That said, I’m not sure Gillibrand’s immigration plan was all that bad…
On twitter, KH getting all the style points.
Hey, Jon — always great to see you chime in on here!!!
“We [Americans] open our hearts to the stranger.” And give them jobs in cotton fields.
But now we are enlightened, and we prefer to offer them jobs in their home countries.
Buttigieg is execrable. So slippery.
Biden barely functional.
After watching a few recent appearances, I have the impression that Biden is on some kind of drug regimen, he just seems kind of foggy. Robotic, almost.
I thought last night’s debate participants did a better job.
I agree.
So far, too much “not-trump” & not as much policy. Although the mod’s question seem to be leading that way.
yes, less chest-thumping. really unattractive
on average I think they are nicer people, at the very least more polite people. I’d rather have a beer mostly with the people in the 1st debate, they wouldn’t scream at me and talk over everything I said.
Yes, the 1st night was far better.
Marianne Williamson seems like she has a clue… also seems like she may have take a few DMT fueled vision quests!
right on healthcare ✓
right on trump ✓
right on foreign policy ✓
right on vaccines?
Summer White House in Sedona?
This made me chuckle. Marianne’s greatest twitter hits!
https://twitter.com/ellievhall/status/1144447746570641410?s=09
The fact that she was an alien occurred to me while she was on the stage. This thread just confirms it.
Did lots of people (unfamiliar with TV) Google her to see if she played the “nice liberal yuppie TV producer” in, John Carpenter’s They Live?
https://fair.org/home/wapo-doesnt-want-voters-to-know-medicare-for-all-will-cut-their-health-costs/
100% not joking I would vote for Williamson before Biden. She’s my 7th or 8th choice on this stage. Hickenfracker and Swalwell, Bane of the Old were straight up embarassing
Not handing the torch to Swalwell, that’s for sure.
It seems to me that having six-figure student loan debt ought to be a disqualifier of some sort.
“I borrowed over $100,000 to attend the University of Maryland Law School, and all I could get was this lousy government job.”
Biden refuses to see the connection between Obama’s foreign policy (i.e. Honduras) and all these refugees.
He also seems to think all those 3 million people deported during the Obama/Biden administration were criminals, since they otherwise shouldn’t have been deported.
Yeah, Biden’s kind of an open borders guy, now, it seems. Trump will feast on that one.
Bernie missed a chance to pound on Obama’s pro-coup policy in Honduras and link that to the refugee problem.
Senator Sanders, you don’t bring military dictators to the table to discuss anything but their resignation and transition to an elected government. Step it up! You know better!
Bernie needs to pound on anti-militarism more in general, on every a available opportunity.
Bernie’s weakness in ’16 was foreign policy, and it will be interesting if his ideas are any better.
Maybe he’s biding his time on foreign policy… look how the media has ignored Tulsi Gabbard. Being anti-war seems practically taboo these days.
Obama’s foreign policy–which includes HRC’s intervention in Central America–is not something that a tool like Joe will touch.
Side note: I stepped outside for a bit and my neighbor has Fox News on at a high volume (as she does every night) and they’re talking about the Barr investigation into the Russiagate investigation. Listened for about 10 min and no mention of the debates.
Gotta love our narrative bubbles. Makes me extra thankful for NC and all you do to pop our bubbles with a diverse delivery of news every day. I’ve actually started reading American Conservative somewhat frequently thanks to this site. Don’t always like what I read there but good to challenge my preconceived ideas now and then to keep myself honest.
I too have been introduced to American Conservative via nc – I certainly don’t agree with every view but they do put together an intellectually rigorous bog.
Larison is one of the best foreign-policy journalists out there, but I suggest that Dreher be avoided at all cost.
Dreher is an articulation of a clean conservative viewpoint with which I disagree, but unlike Unz, whom I believe he replaced at TAC, there are many points outside his core values with which I could make workable compromises, like his keeping Larison and Giraldi in his stable.
Bennet is channeling Thurston Howell, III.
The moderators are doing an awful job.
They’re barely in control….I think it’s partially because the candidates don’t want to get treated like a child the way Delaney was. Plus, Chuck Todd’s just terrible.
Who is Chuck Todd related to? There is no way this is the best NBC can find for a political reporter. He must be a “legacy hire” like Chelsea Clinton and the Bush daughter
Just think, enough people voted for Michael Bennet to make him a Senator of Colorado! Democracy in action!
We used to have another senator just like him—Mark Udall. But he was so unexciting that the Democrats stayed home in 2014 and elected Cory Gardner.
has he got a mouth full of gobstoppers?
That style is something they teach at Yale.
If it was jujubees, might AIPAC have gotten to him already?
it looks like he’s ready to nurse–someone get that man a bottle of warm milk!
Bennet only got that seat in the first place by getting appointed to it.
Russiarussiarussia in the house, statue of liberty back, holocaust on the side.
I’m noticing a lot of time given to non-entities to talk, but not bernie.
Is anyone reminded of that 1st grade class with the front row kids straining and jerking their hands up for the chance to speak.
Oh lord, Yang worried about Russia “hacking” democracy.
yes and they called on Biden but don’t call on Bernie.
That’s it. The concept seems to be to elevate the field as opposed to having the leaders duke it out.
But Sanders makes the most of his time, giving intelligent answers to stupid questions.
sometimes–but sometimes he’s just long-winded, repeating what he has already said a million times, instead of unleashing a zinger
Yeah its time Bernie calls them all out and geaux straight savage!
This is truly awful on somany levels. Worse than last night. They are all yelling. Except Yang.
Did Biden try and fail to put together a word salad just before the break?
Yes, Biden went completely incoherent for that whole response. Seemed back to form after the break though, although too much Obama worship going on overall with him…
I think he got rattled when Harris went at him pretty hard. I think Bennett got a good shot in, too.
yeah, he was a deer in headlights after Bennet called out on making the Bush tax cuts permanent
A man’s gotta eat…
Yes the yelling made me dislike everyone even ppl I like. Awful moderators. Horrible.
The A team up next–Maddow and Chuck Todd.
Pathetic, the whole scene is pathetic. What a way to run a putative democracy, bring back the league of women voters to run the debates…and that idiot with the graphs during commercial breaks while watching this online, I want to break his freaking head…sorry.
Fully agree. And WTF was with that gesticulating moron at the break?
his sleeves were rolled up, so you know he is a hardworking guy just like you, and can thus be trusted
+1
yea online and a bunch of polling graphs, as if polling on donald trump and stuff is just so interesting …
YES! League of Women Voters! This is so bad.
I believe the objective of the networks is to turn the debates into The Bachelorette and Big Brother.
So, is it time to switch over from shots of liquor .. to bath salts now ?? Krocodile ?? Peyote ?? .. cuz this ‘debate’ seems, saddly, rabbit-hole unreal, with or without enhancements !
I can see the Datura growing about 20 feet away from my window, and if forced to watch a couple more hours of this drivel, might consider usage.
You should work for the County Tourist Board!
Moderator muddied the water. Instead of asking point blank what the greatest geopolitical threat was, he said four of last night’s panel cited China. Then he asked the panel what to do about China. Two panelists said not China, but Russia, Russia , Russia. It’s 10:00 PM and still no mention of global warming.
They better not have only been brought up climate change last night only to please Inslee. But I think it’s coming.
3 people said climate change last night (copy cats and posers but).
Nor not one mention of CENTCOM… Who likes to go into Middle Eastern countries and create refugees
Just before 9:30 break, Biden who was tossing his word salad , look desperately to moderators and asked if his time was up.
I think his time was up a while back…
“Biden who was tossing his word salad”
Yakko: Mwah, goodnight, everybody!
+1
My two cents- Moderators seem to be propping up Buttigieg and Biden tonight. Ignoring and attacking Bernie.
Williamson is such a wild card! She brings in reparations, and Harris grabs the ball and runs with it…. And then goes for Biden for his blessings of segregation and opposes busing!
Biden says Harris mischaracterized what he said! And then plays the Obama card.
Harris goes for Biden’s throat. Good for her.
Biden says it’s for the locality, Harris says that’s why the Feds have to step in! Hoo Boy!
Biden attacks Harris for being prosecutor. Please let these two destroy each other.
“Please let these two destroy each other.”
you have described the brightest timeline
Harris pulls race card for talk time.
To say she couldn’t play with white neighbors.
On a police abuse question.
Lost.
Gets around to fingering Biden for swapping spit with segregationists.
Biden reminds Kamala she was a prosecutor.
She’s hitting him on busing and federal enforcement.
Oooooh.
Raparations…
Many generations ago, yo!
Somebody related to me deserves dough
They ain’t around though
I’ll be your huckleberry
Kia ora!
It appears that Gillibrand has been tasked with riding Bernie’s policy-coattails and drawing votes away from him so that the establishment will prevail.
Bernie’s attempt to pivot diversity to income inequality was really awkward there. Dead silence.
yeah, I winced at that. He didn’t even try to connect black issues to inequality or anything.
Bernie’s first question in half hour is a setup on “diversity.”
He gets about 30 seconds to respond.
And then another setup on Roe.
He worked in Medicare for All in his answer.
The moderators really don’t want to give him time.
Twitter
@caitoz on Kamala Harris:
“Harris is smashing this debate, and she’s the perfect tool to carry out oligarchic agendas: charming, commanding, and completely unprincipled. Watch her campaign closely.”
@caitoz on Bennet:
“Bennett says Russian memes are the greatest threat to US national security and isn’t laughed out of the building because people have been trained to believe such psychosis is normal.”
Why is Yang talking so much? /s
The moderators should really start cutting mikes. Gillibrand is especially bad.
whoever screams loudest
Sanders thinks we can rotate judges into the Supreme Court. That’s an interesting idea.
Insufficient time for him to properly explain, From Inquisitor:
“However, Sanders is extremely open to making major reforms to the Supreme Court’s current structure. The first possibility Sanders notes is enacting term limits, an idea that has circulated down both sides of the aisle for years. This would address the rather undemocratic lifetime power given to high-powered justices. According to Vox, having justices serve limited terms, in a staggered schedule, would mean frequent turnover, and a less-desperate power struggle.
One of the more surprising proponents of this reform is actually Chief Justice John Roberts, who, in a 2015 New York Times interview, noted that, “Setting a term of, say, 15 years would ensure that federal judges would not lose all touch with reality through decades of ivory tower existence.”
If term limits are not an option, Sanders suggests, an alternative would be to rotate judges to the appeals court, rather than having a set number of Supreme Court justices always locked in. This so-called “panel solution” — previously proposed by scholars Ganesh Sitaraman and Daniel Epps — would have justices be composed of a “panel,” selected at random from a pool of associate justices, for a period of only two weeks. Once these weeks were up, a new, equally random panel of judges would replace them.”
Thanks for hosting this, Lambert!
–sixpacksongs
Sorry, problem using comment box. Link at https://www.inquisitr.com/5372853/bernie-sanders-proposes-modifying-supreme-court-term-limits-or-rotating-judges-to-depoliticize-the-court/
Right? Whoa!
But then, maybe it’s like packing the court….doesn’t explicitly say you cant.
Agree that overall tonight seems worse than last night.
Someone will explain it tomorrow.
Its a bit different idea. Rotation of judges goes to a system of reform (not that I think its worth the effort). Court packing is playing under existing rules.
If memory serves, there have been proposals in the past, but “the Supreme Court” is separate from the other courts Congress might establish. I’m fairly certain without a Constitutional Amendment any kind of non-permanent Supreme Court wouldn’t meet Constitutional standards.
The moderators need gavels. If you don’t have a gavel, use your shoe.
What a mess. Looks like it’s Trump 2020 by a landslide.
+1
Indubitably.
Narrow down the candidates first then there will be less of a mess. More time per candidate and more clarity to the positions instead racing to get comments out.
Trump sucks way too bad to get a landslide even in the absence of a great democratic candidate.
Yuuuuuup.
I appreciate Harris schooling Biden on race and bussing and the role of the Federal government v. state’s rights in the civil rights movement.
I don’t know who is watching this debate. But how well does Biden play in South Carolina if her schooling gets wide play?
Thanks, good to know.
24 million viewers between TV and livestream, and surely more people after that
It’ll be interesting to see if either debate moves the poll or fundraising needles
“Forced busing” was the Republican plan. Thurgood Marshall and William O Douglas dissented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley
Biden seems to be having a few “deer in the headlights” moments tonight.
Also seems to think getting louder makes up for lack of substance.
400 million! That ought to do it.
Insufficient time for him to properly explain, From Inquisitor:
“However, Sanders is extremely open to making major reforms to the Supreme Court’s current structure. The first possibility Sanders notes is enacting term limits, an idea that has circulated down both sides of the aisle for years. This would address the rather undemocratic lifetime power given to high-powered justices. According to Vox, having justices serve limited terms, in a staggered schedule, would mean frequent turnover, and a less-desperate power struggle.
One of the more surprising proponents of this reform is actually Chief Justice John Roberts, who, in a 2015 New York Times interview, noted that, “Setting a term of, say, 15 years would ensure that federal judges would not lose all touch with reality through decades of ivory tower existence.”
If term limits are not an option, Sanders suggests, an alternative would be to rotate judges to the appeals court, rather than having a set number of Supreme Court justices always locked in. This so-called “panel solution” — previously proposed by scholars Ganesh Sitaraman and Daniel Epps — would have justices be composed of a “panel,” selected at random from a pool of associate justices, for a period of only two weeks. Once these weeks were up, a new, equally random panel of judges would replace them.”
Thanks for hosting this, Lambert!
–sixpacksongs
Thanks for this. Interesting.
I wonder if Bernie knows what I learned in law school—that federal judges’ asses weigh a ton. I think it would be easier to solve climate change than to successfully get a member of SCOTUS to vacate the rarified air of the Supreme Court chambers and to move to a thankless and anonymous job on the Court of Appeals.
When the Supreme Court started to threaten to stop the entire New Deal (IIRC the public works programs the most) FDR threatened to pack the Court changing the Nine into something like the Twelve or the Fifteen. Of course FDR’s Democratic Party was both in charge of Congress and supported him.
A switch in time saves nine.
Then they shat out the execrable Wickard v. Filburn. The precedent for the disgraceful Gonzales V. Raich decision.
The Supreme Court has been a corrupt joke for at least 90 years.
Actually, the Democrats did NOT support the “court-packing” scheme, which is why it went nowhere. Roosevelt was stymied by the same coalition of conservatives (Democrats and Republicans) that have always stood in the way of reform. The entire incident ate up all of FDRs political chits, damaged his credibility, and stopped all political momentum toward reform — not a single domestic initiative of Roosevelt’s passed Congress in his second term, or for that matter, in his third or fourth. Had the war not intervened and Roosevelt served another term (and been elected to a fourth), his historic reputation would have been severely tarnished.
Looks like I need to do some more reading on FDR! I don’t mind as I already knew that I needed to get a better understanding of the Great Depression as well to get a better understanding of now. Got any reading suggestions?
Williamson: “Just because you have a young body doesn’t mean you don’t have old ideas.”
She is such a wild card!
ZING!
Yang thinks $1K gets the “boot off people’s throats” … #KillMeNow
ChrisAtRU:
It kinda does, if you’re starting at $0.
Its demolishing the architecture of housing, medical, childcare, educational access he’d demolish in exchange for a handful of coins.
I’d argue that most people (who are in debt) are starting at less than zero … ;-)
$1K just gets them closer to zero.
he wants people to pick between SNAPs etc and his “UBI”, though, and is proposing funding it in part via a (regressive) VAT.
Its not really funded through VAT though. I believe he said a VAT would bring in 800 B revenue while the whole plan would cost 3.2 T.
VAT is more of a throw in to make sure everyone is paying something and is really part of the system.
$1k per month per person. UBI and VAT. Interesting ideas. UBI gets trashed around here but we already have a JG: the military. Yang’s pro-M4A. Too bad he went RussiaRussiaRussia! but then as the representative Chinese minority, he had probably been instructed to follow the party line. And, also too bad, he clearly wasn’t ready for a prime-time foodfight. Those Chinese! So ridiculously civilized.
Mike Gravel tweeted:
Andrew Yang and Marianne Williamson, two candidates who (whatever your disagreements with them are) are bringing new ideas to the debate stage, should have gotten more speaking time.
Thats why they weren’t given more time — because they are bringing new ideas. The party bosses are actually conservatives when it suits them.
Ah thanks for clarifying …not a fan of UBI … but a BI in tandem with a JG is fine by me. And the military is a de-facto JG, and a horrid one at that. We can do better.
#BringBackTheWPA
Sorry, the military doesn’t want you if you’re overweight, sick, adult, disabled, never graduated high school, have pretty much any health or psychological issues whatsoever, ever used drugs, or have a tattoo. Single parents who don’t have their own child care can also forget it. (Someone needs to take the kid if you get deployed and the military sure ain’t doing it.) There are waivers for some of this but not most of it. Only about 10% of 18 year olds are actually eligible. And you have to sign up for 4 years or GTFO.
Do you seriously think a 4 year enlistment is a viable replacement for unemployment, like the JG would be? Ridiculous.
Twitter consensus:
Kamala Harris got more floor time than anyone else.
Harris ended Biden’s campaign.
The debate is rigged against Bernie Sanders.
Twitter questions:
Did Harris get the debate questions in advance?
What did you expect—this was MSNBC.
Ironically, Bernie would get preferential treatment in a Fox-hosted debate.
Maybe,
Nice Freudian slip in her summary, “…I hope I own, earn your support”
What keeps you awake at 3.A.M.? Knowing you have any real power to screw things up like you did as A.G. when, as you so proudly stated, you ordered the sheriffs of California to ignore immigration “status”,leading to the slaughter of the Bologna family.
Also, as state attorney general, she did nothing but favor Mnuchin’s OneWest Bank, ignoring his 36,000 fraudulent foreclosures, but he did give her a donation for her senate race,she let Herbalife hucksters go unprosecuted,
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/03/documents-show-san-diego-prosecutors-told-kamala-h.html
and she did nothing to defend the people against the multi-billion dollar Bay Bridge construction scam.
> Did Harris get the debate questions in advance?
That’s a very good question! Why do they ask it?
There was no specific justification given other than some / many of her answers seemed rehearsed.
And so they ought to be! That’s why they practice.
Ugh
Harris won because the Neolibs focus solely on Identity Politics
WHY DO WE STILL GIV A F ABOUT RACE??!
She will fool far and wide
executive director of the sunrise movement tweets:
Varshini Prakash
?
I am blown away by @KamalaHarris right now.
Makes one go hmm. Although I guess some of these people are teenagers and if so, one shouldn’t go too hard on them. Older people have been here, there, and got that the tattoo from believing the rhetoric that didn’t match the reality (not sure I ever voted for O personally but …).=
We have to care about race, it affects so much. That’s NOT identity politics, it’s reality and plain politics. I have no brief for Harris and support Sanders, but she was the right person to expose Biden’s record, which is IMPORTANT.
She knew that Biden had a few positions in his early career that impacted her life. So she canned that and rehearsed it. When the opportunities came up, she was just able to turn on the tape and let it play.
Because Hillary got them, known thing to happen.
Hahaha! … ;-)
The first Pharma exec that Jailin’ Joe Biden should jail is the one who said that the dose of Botox, he clearly got in his face, with was appropriate for humans.
Yes. I observed that his mouth moved during the whole debate, but not much of anything else.
…what we have here is a failure to accumulate any interest in the Palookas put up by the donkey show
Guns
Wager: Maddow brings up #SandyHook
#PlaceYourBets
Well she went back to some obscure “quote” from six years ago … #CloseButNoCigar
Mods ask Sanders a question then try to talk over his answer. Then let other candidates talk over his answer.
Maddow fails to disguise her disdain for Bernie Sanders.
So it’s really interesting to see how even the most corporate/conventional candidates have to function within the frame Bernie created in 2016, even acknowledging the need to deal with income inequality ‘Bernie talks about’.
It’s also interesting to see someone like Harris really challenge Biden
Bernie has fundamentally changed things already
Harris definitely saw her chance and went hard at it with Biden. She’s been fading in the polls and has to try to generate some interest. Warren’s been eating her lunch.
Truly. I’m actually enjoying that aspect of the debates and am cautiously optimistic about what that may portend.
> Bernie has fundamentally changed things already
That’s a good point. He was also relentlessly on message. I think also the point is to win the election, not win the debate. If Harris takes out Biden, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Sanders does not benefit.
Certainly Bernie benefits if Biden falls. He might be hurt, but still leads the race after new polls.
Kamala helped herself, but she’s turning progressive without Bernie’s army of supporters.
It had been said she was running to be Biden’s veep, put that to rest.
To win, or to be somebody’s veep, she presumably has to win SC for starters. Can she do it? Don’t believe biden can.
Biden down, warren Harris up. Maybe the mayor, too. Bernie?
Please. Bernie Sanders does not talk about “income inequality”. That’s what Joe Biden blathers about.
Sanders talks about “inequality”, period. The kind of inequality that plagues this country is not caused only by wage and income problems — it’s systemically related to the distribution of wealth, which is not the same as income. Biden uses the “income” language in order to hide his true view, which is that “billionaires aren’t the problem”.
Buttigieg was a driver, for heaven’s sake.
NBC connection is really bad. Of course, this is America, not South Korea, so we have really sh*tty broadband.
My favorite part is that if I refresh to get a new connection, they run an ad. So all things work together for good.
Over there, Kabul where
Drive the major here & there
The air conditioning running
Pete’s motor pool humming
Uber there.
LOL! You win the internet.
Bwahahaha
Someone needs to ask him about Kandahars poo pond and what it means to be a Fobbit.
“I’m a driver, I’m a winner.”
The forces of evil in a bozo nightmare
“I’m a driver, I’m a winner”
Ding Ding Ding ! .. Chickenhawk dinner
Re: the 3rd world level infrastructure:
“all things work together for good” (to them that love capitalism and are called according to its purposes)
Yes, most Americans don’t understand how slow their internet service actually is. My local private service provider touts speeds of 100Mb/s. However, I can access the Internet through the state university system (T1 connection, no choke points) and get full speed, full HD video at 400Mb/s. The difference is incredible.
I went from 1.5-3 MB/s DSL (Earthlink) to 1 GB fiber (Sonic.net) (though when I do speedtest it usually comes in around 940-960 MB/s). I actually saved money making the switch, as well as getting more reliable service and not having to talk to India every couple of years. Every now and then I get lucky!
‘”SMart” Gunz! NRA Gud.’
Ladies and gentleman, your leader in the polls… Joe Biden!
I might vote for Trump if, as Biden suggests, his reelection means the end of NATO.
That was kinda sucky.
No one could develop any ideas, if they had any.
Oh and Joe is the “experience” guy.
We’ve been warned.
How the hell did Williamson make it and not Gravel?
I know, right?
The mods didn’t dare risk Gravel on stage with Biden. heh.
https://twitter.com/MikeGravel
LOLz!!
https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1144432394163937282
That’s why I wanted him so badly. Love the pithy truth-telling.
I need to send him some money. And Tulsi. And Bernie. Every little bit helps.
Williamson: “You have harnessed fear and only love can cast it out.”
The motto, “Love Trumps Hate” didn’t work, so we’ll try “Love Trumps Fear.”
Calling Jim Cunningham from Donnie Darko
Nice!
RIP PATRICK SWAYZE
chapo trap house is in total group love with her now
well, mostly virgil texas is
i don’t get even one bit of it
and keep expecting a ironic reveal, but nope
he’s just gaga
I just started listening to CTH. Not impressed. Give me the jaggoff comedian Jimmy Dore any day.
It’s particularly unfortunate because I feel they had a big influence in getting her on the debate stage, and they’ve had the opposite negative effect on the Gravel campaign by calling it “elder abuse”.
Usually really enjoy CTH and suppose I still do, but not a fan of this.
Read r/ChapoTrapHouse on Reddit.com. Its much more palatable.
Gawd, she sounded like Zaneeba talking to Sen !
Are we experiencing some kind of weird Anime interface ??
Also, gotta call Hickenlooper as one of tonight ‘s losers. Barely knew who he was going in. Not impressed.
Gillibrand remains annoying.
“Assault weapons” is an undefined term. “Assault rifles” have a precise definition. So the Maddow throws a slooow softball to the candidate with supposedly the most vehement opposition to the undefined “assault weapons.” Then a follow up question on question to Bernie Sanders, Senator to one of the most gun friendly Blue state in the Union, and so of course Sanders tries to give a response other than all gunz are baaaad and will not annoy his constituents. Which gets him hammered.
And hello Joe I Ban All Assault Weapons Already Biden! Barf.
If we turn socialist Trump wins? OMG.
Did Harris just call back to the notorious “3 a.m. phone call” ad???
invoked firefighters too. As a Californian who almost died in last September’s fires, that pissed me off.
FFS, Buttigieg was a driver!
We go from admiring “the generals” to admiring “the drivers.” Pay no mind to the actual combat veterans. They might impede the war effort (the effort to start the war.)
Biden:
“Trump is the only President who has embraced dictators.”
Haw, haw, what a comedian!
Well, the Obama Administration did overthrow at least one Haitian government and IIRC two Central American ones. Of course, all those governments had been elected under fairly honest elections.
:-)
I guess he forgot when GWB looked into Putin’s soul. Or all those embraces of Hussein and Pinochet and the Shah and Gaddafi and all those strong men we loved until we.didn’t.
But ignoring reality is second nature for Joe.
Sanders-Harris In 2020
Warren = Senate Majority Leader
Gabbard, State; Buttegieg, Defense; Klobuchar, AG; Yang, Commerce; etc
Bite-me and Gilebrand can withdraw tonight…
‘fraid not. it’s Trump 2020. Near term human extinction well on the cards, and unstoppable, by 2024.
In that case, Donald Trump gets our votes, as well as keeping all the potential crossovers, who had supported Trump last time, and would have voted for Sanders-Gabbard.
Harris will alienate The Deplorables, the military, the White Working Class or even black people, who know her as Kamala The Cop.
Sanders-Harris would be political suicide for the Democrats.
Sanders-Gabbard would be a winner against Trump.
Here Here.
From the link: “Despite not raising her hand”
To the question, “would you give up your private insurance?”
She should have said:
“I have V.A. insurance, that’s why I didn’t raise my hand. That’s what I want to give to every American through Medicare For All.”
Can we give Mike Gravel some sort of honorary title? Maybe something like Chancellor of Peace?
I say give him his own debate .. with a chair labeled ‘STATUS QUO’ …
The Internet would be sooo energized, the whole Planet would be glowing blue !
Biden could have scored BIGLY just now if he had only had the guts to drop the F-bomb into his closing remarks. “We can do anything,” he said. “This is the United States of F’ING AMERICA!!” He would have been a hero.
Biden was the only one who thanked the troops. Doesn’t that mean he won?
Bern ended well… biden blabbed on and on and on well…
Agree, the only coherent and cogent statement was Bernie’s concluding remarks, the reset was painful to watch.
Yes, Sanders’s closing statement was good, I thought.
IMO, last night, on the whole, was more engaging.
We’ll see what the press does with this, but I would say Sanders emerged unscathed, Harris* wounded Biden, Biden sounded like a lightweight, Gillibrand seems like a very unpleasant person, and Buttigieg’s sincerity is positively prehensile. Frackenlooper and Swalwell, who cares?
Also, I hate this format. Just hate it.
NBC’s Zerlina Maxwell, a vehement Sanders hater, now declaring Harris the winner.
NOTE * Adding, again, I found that I enjoyed listening the Harris (forgetting what I know, and just reacting in the moment). I’d like to smoke a joint with her (which should really replace “have a beer with”).
and so it goes…
until it doesn’t
Agree. She was the only one who would be able to humiliate Trump in the end.
I am a big Bernie fan, but was not impressed tonight.
R.I.P. Biden.
Bernie did well. However, I think you actually have to know something to get what Bernie is going on about and why his answers were better than many (not that some questions weren’t answered well by others) and well …
> I think you actually have to know something to get what Bernie is going on about
Presumably the Sanders media operation is pumping out clips even as we speak.
Did Sanders get his message across? I’d say he did.
Yes, unlike last night in which Warren was clearly the candidate to beat, but nobody really went against her, both Harris and Sanders took the opportunity tonight to contrast themselves with Biden.
I warned people Kamala is smooth … she’s underestimated in how well she’ll do. Now she’s not a good person and that’s what I hear from people who have worked for her. But she’s smooth.
Watch her face with the sound down. Not a pleasant experience.
Ever see Alien?
Is is a know fact that Cobras have smooth scales …
Yeah, Harris has a good voice. I thought she came off well (speaking as someone with absolutely no intention of voting for her). Buttigieg is a slick shit. I can see why he was the one that successfully pulled his way out of the generic white guy candidate bin.
” I found that I enjoyed listening the Harris (forgetting what I know, and just reacting in the moment).”
I would smoke a bong 1st, and then turn it around to: (forgetting what I know…) I found I enjoyed listening to Harris;)
Maxwell heavy on the idPol as always
And she would arrest you for it, piggy that she is.
C’mon Lambert, seriously, a joint with Harris? I had the idea that your sensibilities were rather more refined than that, knowing anything about or not.
Her manner of speaking is like someone who doesn’t care, doesn’t take the whole thing seriously. It’s like someone who is cheaply casually condescending on the whole thing, on her having to be there. That’s what I perceived. It is deeply disqualifying from any leadership position. “Food fight”? We at that level now? That makes her cool? My god, what garbage.
FWIW, Boot Edge Edge’s prehensile sincerity was masterful in my view – shows some real talent.
I’m just observing this out of academic interest and hope we’ll all have a chance to vote for Bernie in the general. But from tonight, Boot Edge Edge to me stood out as a talent – and everyone else (besides Bernie who was reliably on message and will keep going more or less the same after this) was garbage or unnecessary (Biden is a disgrace), and the first debate was better.
Tuned into CNN @2 minutes ago. Current talking heads really down on Biden.
A good sign (I think).
I’ve said that the first day of a Biden Presidential campaign is always the best one. I’d be surprised if Harris is able to take him down in a single debate, however.
Last time the DNC/donor fav was the candidate that lost to Obama in ‘08.
This time it’s the guy who lost to both her, Obama, and Edwards in ‘08. Heck, he was only one point ahead of Kucinich and behind Bill Richardson in the polls at the time he dropped out.
But, he’s the “most electable” they tell us.
Debates in an Era of mass literacy are stupid in general, but I’m not certain what the pundits would have expected. I know DC media types are stupid, but did they think Biden would crush literate people in a debate due to his performances against Palin and Paul Ryan? I thought even Ezra Klein figured out Ryan was a moron.
Here’s a transcript.
Glutton for punishment? … We just saw it!
For those whose connection was going in and out… And the pedants who wish to quote…
#TYVM … Pedant who likes to quote here! :)
Both Biden and Hickenlooper were pretty bad.
On the other hand Bennet surprised me. I know little about him but I was impressed when he threw in the one liner about the Hyde Amendment. I wonder how many caught it? Definitely another strike against Biden.
His line about the southern border being a “Symbol of Nativist Hostility” was good but Bernie smacked him down on M4A
Perhaps that’s the purpose of this format? Having it so that there could be sincere, thoughtful, and reasoned debate among a handful of candidates at a time might allow the more reformist like Sanders and Warren, or someone Gabbard to escape that maddening crowd.
I don’t think the format and the umpteen candidates are not a deliberate strategy. If nothing else, it reduces the debates into snippets of campaign speeches and ad quotes, and not actually produce ideas that might threaten the status quo.
I think it gives the moderators too much power. The setting is like American Idol, and the moderators are like judges. I don’t know a better format, but this is repellent.
The Lincoln-Douglas Debates they are not.
Quite a fun live tweet of it here -> https://twitter.com/mtaibbi
Whole thing was a big joke.
Bernie did fine. He didn’t interrupt opponents who were shipping his own policies, and his closing was strong. The highlights his campaign released on Insta are sweet.
Biden was trash.
Harris, who this Californian believes is utterly disingenuous and evil, looked great, sounded great, and made her mark. I will enjoy watching her eat the livers of the other conservative Dems. I will not enjoy a Harris Presidency at all.
Buttzheej looked like a 1978 Ken doll.
Yang was awful in his tiny amount of time.
Nobody else mattered.
Buttigieg was like Beto minus the Adderall addiction. All flowers and no soil.
You will not see a Harris presidency. If she’s on any ticket, including as Bernie’s V.P., Trump wins again.
I’m a rabid Bernie supporter (Twice). As a lifetime Californian and witness to Kamala’s incompetence in San Francisco. I, and at least12 of my friends, would vote for Trump again if the Democrats allow Harris anywhere on the ticket.
Her boast:
“So as attorney general, and the chief law officer of the state of California, I issued a directive to the sheriffs of my state that they did not have to comply with ICE detainers…”
Result?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-jul-26-me-sanctuary26-story.html
“Suspect Edwin Ramos awaits trial in San Francisco County Jail, a system that released him nearly three months before the slayings. Convicted twice on felony charges as a juvenile, he was protected then from immigration officials because of the city’s [Kamala’s] sanctuary policy.
Immigration activists have embraced the grieving family, using the June 22 deaths of Anthony, Matthew and Michael Bologna to call for change.”
Kamala; a fruiting body coming off the rot of Democratic Dynastic politics.
I may not have caught it all, but it almost seemed to me like Bernie was the only one who raised his hand on eliminating employer provided healthcare (well I think maybe Gillibrand also). Bernie’s plan may have flaws but it’s an actual bill, not raising one’s hand shows Kamala Harris M4A plan is a total fake.
Harris will run as left as Sanders, then if against Trump it will devolve into identity politics.
Gillibrand wasn’t wired to Bernie? In a Mini-Me outfit? Granted, everyone on that stage was basically doing a weekend at Bernie’s greatest hits retrospective; not unlike Hillary’s, “no, I’m Spartacus” sudden epiphany as to what a Keynesian Democrat used to be, in 2016… until she unleashed the flying monkeys on him, on us all, i guess? I wonder if it’ll be Harris and Beto, now?
I think I spent my evening better than those who tuned in to this farce. I watched ‘Network’, every bit as trenchant as it was when it was released in 1976.
I always thought the ‘you’re messing with the primal forces of nature’ speech was a good explanation of who money flows.
holistic system of systems…
harris is up, and biden is down – and in my view biden is down not just because of harris’s effective attack, but also because it is clear he is losing his edge, his age is showing
in the post-debate discussion, someone mentioned that biden’s aides are finding it hard to keep his attention during debate prep – that’s not good
i didn’t have that same impression about sanders – admittedly i’m a bernie bro from last time, a leftist and progressive with the sanders donation receipts to prove it
facts, interpretive frameworks of facts, policy proposals – all these things which intelligentsia like ourselves chew over – we must not lose sight of the fact that the choice of a chieftain is primarily an emotional matter – and that political discourse in an age of mass media consists of spinning stirring stories – as wavy gravy (hugh romney) told his mirror one morning, “it’s all done with people” – and people are not rational animals, but rationalizing animals
who knows if it’s good or bad?
may the creative forces of the universe stand beside us, and guide us, through the night with the light from above – metaphorically speaking
Aron Blue reporting from remote California. Where nothing is live ever.
I had never seen Pete buttigeig before tonight – I’d only been reading about him. I would like to share my first impressions upon seeing him: (1) oh my god Alfred E. Neuman hahahahahahahaha (2) oh. Pete butt-i-judge. I thought it was Pete butt-i-geg for an embarrassingly long time…
better you folks than me …. lmmao …
For 2024 let’s just have cage fights, contestants show up naked with their names and policy positions tattooed on their bodies, each gets a bucket of slime to smear on their opponent to try and cover them up. Then Sergei Brin’s computer chooses the winner
Like the tattoos, actual or professed positions? But I’d add corporate logo branding Irons, or scalpels to edit?
http://inthesetimes.com/article/21937/war-military-counter-recruitment-education-schools-youth
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-06-27/how-to-make-wind-power-sustainable-again/
AOC.
Cage fights?
No! Water Boarding (some say it isn’t torture and forces people to tell the truth)
I say, if that is the case, why aren’t we already doing this to the people who run for the highest offices in our land.
*also good for Supreme Court and cabinet member nominees…
Impressions: Harris the winner, Biden the loser, Buttigieg and Gillibrand (despite her annoying interruptions in the first half) made a strong presentation. Sanders ok, he pounded on 1 point, that inequality and politics being corrupt are the fundamental interlinked phenomenon. Also note that basically everyone on the stage was making points that are now in national Dem politics thanks to Sanders 16 and thanks top the “threat of” Sanders 20. So that is good!
I think health and fitness are important for everyone, including the president.
Are links allowed? Watch this:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/democrat-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-doing-capoeira.3952529/
When Sanders was going off the rails it was due to his trademark enthusiasm. When Biden went off the rails it was cause he was just kind of going off the rails.
I think the two septegenarians in the Democratic race should be Sanders and Warren. Hopefully Kamala did a lot of damage to Biden along with his increasing incoherence.
Today’s SF Chronicle headlined the debate report as a “free-for-all among top tier” so I guess there must have been a lot of physical violence on display.