Biden Bets on “Let ‘Er Rip” with a SECOND Pandemic-Grade Virus: H5N1 (“Bird Flu”)

By Lambert Strether of Corrente.

“The system’s not broken. It’s fixed.” –Apocryphal

I apologize to readers for the lateness of the hour. Normally, I’d sacrifice a Water Cooler, but I feel that with less than two weeks to go in the election, that would not be A Good Thing. –lambert

An important article in Vanity Fair, “Inside the Bungled Bird Flu Response, Where Profits Collide With Public Health” (archive), has broken the mainstream silence on the ill-controlled spread of “bird flu” (H5N1/HPAI HN51), so reminiscent of Covid in 2020, although proceeding at a slower pace (and yet with greater potential risk). In this post, I’ll first give a quick summary of the current state of play, where bird flu, from its start in Texas, and spread in the Midwest, has now leaped the Rockies, and is infecting both cattle and chickens in California (though the main focus of this post will be cattle). After briefly straightening out terminology and discussing risk, I will go through the Vanity Fair Article, quoting and contextualizing great slabs of it. I’ll conclude by comparing our response to “bird flu” with our responses to pandemics past. Caveat that this is really yellow wader material, but I am not yet familiar enough with the (several) institutions involved to do this.

Let’s begin with this optimistic statement from Ag Insider’s Food & Environment Reporting Network on October 6, 2024. The lead:

Although California reported outbreaks of bird flu in 12 dairy herds last week, most states have gone weeks without new cases being discovered, including those with high levels of scrutiny, according to USDA data. Agriculture deputy undersecretary Eric Deeble cited Colorado and Michigan as examples of the tailing off of infections and said during a multi-agency teleconference that “this decrease gives us confidence” of eliminating the virus in dairy cattle by isolating herds.

Sadly, by October 20 we saw this headline in the Los Angeles Times: “As bird flu outbreaks rise, piles of dead cattle become shocking Central Valley tableau.” Again the lead:

There’s a sickness hovering over Tulare County‘s dairy industry. On a recent 98-degree afternoon, dead cows and calves were piled up along the roadside. Thick swarms of black flies hummed and knocked against the windows of an idling car, while crows and vultures waited nearby — eyeballing the taut and bloated carcasses roasting in the October heat. Since the H5N1 bird flu virus was first reported in California in early August, 124 dairy herds and 13 people — all dairy workers — had been infected as of Friday. And according to dairy experts, the spread of the virus has yet to abate.

Clearly, the USDA’s “confidence” was misplaced. Before getting into gist of the article, let’s clear up the terminology issues.

Terminology: “Bird Flu” or “H5N1”?

Wikipedia (sorry) redirects “Bird Flu” to the fancier “Avian Influenza,” where we find that bird flu is caused by the Influenza A virus, of which there are two types: low pathogenic avian influenza (LPAI) and high pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI), “low” and “high” depending on the symptoms in bird, not mammals, cows being mammals (as are humans). H5N1 is a particularly virulent subtype of HPAI, although there are others, like H7N3 or H7N9. (The entry also includes a guide to the nomenclature).

In this post, I will write “H5N1” and not “bird flu”, partly because that is, after all, the correct nomenclature for the virus that is actually circulating, but also to make the question “Why do cattle get diseases for birds?”) go away. Note, however, that some epidemiologists will say HPAI, because (presumably) the same measures can be used to control all subtypes of such viruses, and others will say “HPAI/H5N1”. I think this proliferation of names is in good faith (unlike the decision making at WHO when choosing the name “Covid-19). CDC writes “HPAI A(H5N1).”

H5N1 Risks

H5N1 is dangerous stuff. Worse, we’ve known that for a long time; dead cattle by the road should come as no surprise. From Nature, “The global H5N1 influenza panzootic in mammals“:

Influenza A viruses (IAV) have caused more documented global pandemics in human history than any other pathogen1,2. High pathogenicity avian influenza (HPAI) viruses belonging to the H5N1 subtype are a leading pandemic risk. Two decades after H5N1 “bird flu” became established in poultry in Southeast Asia, its descendants have resurged, setting off an H5N1 panzootic in wild birds that is fueled by (a) rapid intercontinental spread, reaching South America and Antarctica for the first time; (b) fast evolution via genomic reassortment; and (c) frequent spillover into terrestrial and marine mammals9 The virus has sustained mammal-to-mammal transmission in multiple settings, including European fur farms, South American marine mammals, and US dairy cattle, raising questions about whether humans are next. Historically, swine are considered optimal intermediary hosts that help avian influenza viruses (AIV) adapt to mammals before jumping to humans. However, the altered ecology of H5N1 has opened the door to new evolutionary pathways.

Contrast CDC’s statement on “risk to humans” (I’ve helpfully underlined the minimizations):

The wide geographic spread of HPAI A(H5N1) viruses in wild birds, poultry, and some other mammals, including in cows, could create additional opportunities for people to be exposed to these viruses. Therefore, there could be an increase in sporadic human infections resulting from bird and animal exposures, even if the risk of these viruses spreading from birds to people has not increased. CDC believes the current risk to the general public from bird flu viruses is low. People who have job-related or recreational exposure to infected birds or animals, including cows, are at greater risk of contracting HPAI A(H5N1) virus.

At least they’re not telling us it’s “mild.” This is cheerfully naive tosh at best, eugenicist framing at worst. Have these people never heard of Taleb’s “risk of ruin“? Of the precautionary principle? Apparently not, as we shall see now that we turn to Vanity Fair.

How Our H5N1 Response Went Wrong

Inside the Bungled Bird Flu Response, Where Profits Collide With Public Health” (“Bungled”) starts with the relationship between veterinarians and the USDA:

[W]hen something goes seriously wrong on America’s plains and pastures, something that could threaten animal safety or food production, USDA officials rely on rural veterinarians to sound the alarm.

Those vets report findings to state veterinarians, whose doors and inboxes are always open. They even post their cell phone numbers online. The state veterinarians, in turn, utilize a network of diagnostic laboratories approved by the USDA, chief among them the National Veterinary Services Laboratories (NVSL) in Ames, Iowa.

There’s little standing on ceremony, and state veterinarians generally feel free to reach out directly to leading USDA officials….

Until now:

That, at least, is how it’s supposed to work. It’s how veterinarians responding to dairy farms in the Texas panhandle earlier this year assumed it would work when they stumbled upon hellish scenes out of a horror movie. Feverish cows in respiratory distress producing trickles of milk. Dying cats. Enough dead barn pigeons and blackbirds to suggest a mass poisoning. Living birds with twisted necks, their heads tilted skyward.

Worried vets enlisted help from colleagues in other states. In mid-March, one sent an email to an emergency address at the NVSL, urging the lab to test for something seemingly unthinkable: highly pathogenic avian influenza, which had never before been detected in cows.

Days went by in silence.

The risks (of ruin, as above) are known:

Experts are hesitant to speculate about what could happen if the virus were to begin more widely infecting humans, for fear of spreading panic, but the toll could, in the worst case, dwarf that of COVID-19. If the virus ‘infects a person infected with a human flu strain, and something comes out that is reassorted and adapted to humans? I don’t even want to imagine,’ [Jürgen Richt, regents and university distinguished professor at Kansas State University] says. ‘Not good.’

But USDA failed to act:

At that existential moment back in March, when the virus was first detected in cows, veterinarians involved in the response had every expectation that a well-honed network of experts, led by USDA scientists, would immediately rev to life.

But it didn’t. “Nobody came,” says one veterinarian in a Western state. “When the diagnosis came in, the government stood still. They didn’t know what to do, so they did nothing.”

Not precisely:

The vets who sounded the alarm have been silenced, some even fired, and won’t discuss their experiences on the record for fear of reprisals. And the federal agency that was supposed to help thwart the virus instead has allowed for an unspoken “don’t test, don’t tell” policy among dairy farmers.

The rot certainly set in faster than with Covid!

Why Our H5N1 Response Went Wrong

Continuing with “Bungled“, the Biden administration at least gestured in the direction of improving the Federal Government’s to pandemics:

In the wake of the badly bungled federal response to COVID-19, the Biden administration took steps to guarantee a swifter and more coordinated response to future outbreaks. In June 2023, it established the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy (OPPR) and appointed the retired major general Paul Friedrichs, a former military doctor with a decades-long career in biosecurity preparedness, as director.

Then H5N1 struck the dairy industry:

But when a black swan scenario materialized this spring—an unprecedented bird flu outbreak in dairy cows, originating in Texas, during an election year in which absolutely no one wants to talk about scary viruses—Friedrichs faced a jumble of state and federal agencies with overlapping jurisdictions. The Food and Drug Administration regulates milk, the CDC handles human infections, and the USDA oversees cows and farms, which are often staffed by undocumented immigrants who may be reluctant to interact with government officials.

The key point is the FDA’s dual mandate: The health and safety of the nation’s food animals, and promoting and protecting America’s $174.2 billion agriculture trade:

Looming over the USDA’s reluctance to conduct a more transparent and proactive campaign against H5N1 in dairy cows are export agreements worth more than $24 billion each year, which include 2.6 million tons of milk, cheese, and ice cream, not to mention more than 5 million tons of poultry and beef. For years, poultry trade agreements have stipulated that the birds be free of H5N1. No one ever considered that such a caveat was needed for the dairy and beef agreements.

If those products were to be returned to US markets, it could shrink key agricultural industries and threaten American jobs. “The fear boils down to: How will this affect us in trade?” says Alan Young, chief technology officer for Medgene, an animal-vaccine company. “Nobody knows what the effects are, but the concerns are business concerns.”

And “business concerns” won out:

Says Rick Bright, former Health and Human Services deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response: “This didn’t have to be a nationwide outbreak, but there was an intentional decision made by USDA, and the agricultural lobbying groups, to let it rip.

And whoever’s minding the store at the White House either cannot or will not whip the USDA into line:

Today, without nationwide surveillance or a clear understanding of the H5N1 outbreak’s scope, “we are repeating every single mistake” of the last pandemic, says Keith Poulsen, director of the Wisconsin Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory. “The whole adage of ‘don’t take a test because we don’t want to know what the answer is’ is really irritating.”

As one White House health official tells Vanity Fair, “Not only have we not learned, we have regressed.”

So, at this point we are not sure how H5N1 is transmitted (fomites, aerosols, both? dairy lagoons?), we have not mandated testing for cattle (except when they are moved between states, and even that doesn’t work, as California herds were by cattle shipped to and from Idaho). We have not mandated testing for dairy workers. USDA is slow-walking submitting H5N1 sequences to GISAID (USDA: 24 days; CDC: 8 days; Vietnam and Cambodia, faster than CDC). We have not mandated PPE on dairy farms. Private firms say that vaccines are ready, but they have not been approved. And so on[1]. Biden Administrations’s H5N1 is a complete debacle, even stupider than Covid. Let ‘er rip!

Conclusion

Of course, one hesitates to say that election year politics had anything to do with Biden’s second pandemic policy; we have no smoking memo. We do have a tiny little indication from that portion of the Democrat hive mind buzzing at Daily Kos (to lazy to crop out the dead cattle, but then again perhaps they make the point:

The “time out” on H5N1 a few months ago, certainly seems odd. But apparently the Vanity Fair article shook something loose.

More centrally, the contradictions we might call the “dual mandate” of the Federal goverment — Preamble stuff like “provide for the general welfare” vs. servicing capital (“the spice must flow”) — occur not only for the H5N1 pandemic, but (arguably) generally.

For example, this famous episode, from NPR, when Delta Airlines asked CDC to shorten the Covid isolation period from 10 days to five, and then-CDC Direction Rochelle Walensky rolled right over:

The CDC’s decision comes days after Delta Air Lines’ CEO sent Walensky a letter advocating for a shorter isolation period.

In the letter, CEO Ed Bastian — along with the airline’s medical adviser and chief health officer — asks Walensky to consider shortening the isolation period to five days for those who experience a breakthrough infection.

“With the rapid spread of the Omicron variant, the 10-day isolation for those who are fully vaccinated may significantly impact our workforce and operations [profit],” the Delta officials write.

The airline was among several in the U.S. that experienced thousands of cancellations over Christmas weekend, in part because airline staff were calling out sick with COVID-19.

But that’s not the only example. From Avian Flu Diary:

Fifteen years ago, in Swine Flu: Don’t Test, Don’t Tell, we looked at the reluctance of the swine industry to test pigs for novel flu viruses – fearing that bad publicity would cost them money – and the USDA’s refusal to mandate testing.

Let ‘er rip! There’s money to be made!

NOTES

Fortunately, USDA has a research agenda (PDF), “U.S. Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza A(H5N1) Research Priorities: October 2024.” I quote in relevant part, helpfully underlining the agencies and services involved:

Experts from across the U.S. Government have outlined a research plan to continue furthering our understanding of the A(H5N1) virus and guide response activities to stop the expansion of the outbreak. These priorities will also guide the broader global scientific community [oh right].

This collaborative, whole-of-government, one-health response [blah blah blah] is focused on addressing scientific questions that have arisen across both animal and human health. For animals, the Agricultural Research Service (ARS), as the in-house research agency of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), is the leading authority for influenza research in poultry and livestock, partnering with other agencies, academia, and research institutions. Additionally, other USDA agencies including Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Food Safety Inspection Service (FSIS), the National Institute for Food and Agriculture (NIFA) have been working in coordination with sister agencies and in their respective mission areas through field investigation and epidemiology, diagnostics, food safety, and applied research coordination activities to comprehensively learn as much as possible about A(H5N1) virus transmission and risk factors within herds, between herds, and between dairy and poultry premises. When it comes to human health, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is charged with protecting public health and the safety of the food supply. HHS stood up a response team of four HHS agencies – Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) within the National Institutes of Health (NIH) – that is working closely with USDA to understand A(H5N1) virus biology, epidemiology, and factors that influence disease pathogenesis and transmission, mitigate risk and prevent the transmission among both people and animals, ensure that America’s food supply remains safe, support preclinical and clinical development, regulatory approval, and procure treatments, vaccines, and diagnostics for H5 viruses. In response to the ongoing A(H5N1) outbreak, the interagency team has prioritized research focusing on the following objectives… .

So you see anyone in charge? No? What we have is an “interagency process.” From the Brookings Institution, “The Case for Reforming the Interagency Process” (2007):

The United States Government interagency process is badly broken. This is especially true in the realm of national security. The federal government has archaic, vertical, “stove-pipe” organizational structure and processes that severely undermine success in operations and policy implementation. We are unable to achieve unity of effort and a wholeof-government approach to devising solutions to critical problems. Today’s world is extremely complex and requires the horizontal integration of efforts from a variety of departments and agencies in our executive branch. National level reform of the interagency o\process is urgent, yet we have not even begun.

Sound familiar? It’s almost as if USDA’s effort were designed to fail! The contrast with Operation Warp Speed couldn’t be greater.

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About Lambert Strether

Readers, I have had a correspondent characterize my views as realistic cynical. Let me briefly explain them. I believe in universal programs that provide concrete material benefits, especially to the working class. Medicare for All is the prime example, but tuition-free college and a Post Office Bank also fall under this heading. So do a Jobs Guarantee and a Debt Jubilee. Clearly, neither liberal Democrats nor conservative Republicans can deliver on such programs, because the two are different flavors of neoliberalism (“Because markets”). I don’t much care about the “ism” that delivers the benefits, although whichever one does have to put common humanity first, as opposed to markets. Could be a second FDR saving capitalism, democratic socialism leashing and collaring it, or communism razing it. I don’t much care, as long as the benefits are delivered. To me, the key issue — and this is why Medicare for All is always first with me — is the tens of thousands of excess “deaths from despair,” as described by the Case-Deaton study, and other recent studies. That enormous body count makes Medicare for All, at the very least, a moral and strategic imperative. And that level of suffering and organic damage makes the concerns of identity politics — even the worthy fight to help the refugees Bush, Obama, and Clinton’s wars created — bright shiny objects by comparison. Hence my frustration with the news flow — currently in my view the swirling intersection of two, separate Shock Doctrine campaigns, one by the Administration, and the other by out-of-power liberals and their allies in the State and in the press — a news flow that constantly forces me to focus on matters that I regard as of secondary importance to the excess deaths. What kind of political economy is it that halts or even reverses the increases in life expectancy that civilized societies have achieved? I am also very hopeful that the continuing destruction of both party establishments will open the space for voices supporting programs similar to those I have listed; let’s call such voices “the left.” Volatility creates opportunity, especially if the Democrat establishment, which puts markets first and opposes all such programs, isn’t allowed to get back into the saddle. Eyes on the prize! I love the tactical level, and secretly love even the horse race, since I’ve been blogging about it daily for fourteen years, but everything I write has this perspective at the back of it.

31 comments

  1. peon

    Factory farming has amplified the problem. When you have an outbreak of some disease on a single farm
    it can have a huge impact if it has 1000’s of cows.
    In 2022, 68% of milk in the United States came from large dairy farms that have 1,000 or more cows. These farms make up only 8% of the total number of dairy farms in the country.
    The number of dairy farms has been declining for many years, but the average size of the herds has been increasing. In 1970, there were over 648,000 dairy farms in the United States, but by 2022, there were only 24,470.
    USDA officials are more hesitant to shut down these mega dairies than they would be if it was some family
    farm with 100 cows. The impact to the domestic food supply is potentially huge, not to mention trade.

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    1. steppenwolf fetchit

      In fact, if USDA is captured and run by corporate commissars, it will shut down all the 100 cow family farms in order to protect totally and utterly privilege the 1000’s-of-cows CAFO milk mines.

      As to ” Biden bets on Let ‘Er Rip, his thinking-brain dogs may well be betting on Help ‘Er Rip or even Make ‘Er Rip. Jackpot is not a byproduct. Jackpot is the goal. Advancing Jackpot is the Prime Directive.

      Here is a good protest chant: ” You! Will Not! Infect Us!”

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  2. nyleta

    Not a bad idea to stockpile a bit of quality milk powder and UHT milk from Australia ( no bird flu here yet ). We learnt something from Covid, do your stockpiling early.

    If a large part of the dairy herd in the US ends up being culled I wonder if the Empire will enforce contributions from its satraps ?

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  3. lb

    The lesson (or plan, perhaps) of the COVID response is that disease response is a matter of control — more specifically, narrative control. As Karl Rove said, “[We’re an empire,] we make our own reality.” Control of inconvenient facts can move mountains in terms of public perception and response. Ventilation’s invisibility as a means of mitigation of COVID is quite obviously not by accident.

    A tiny bit of history regarding “don’t test, don’t tell”:

    I’ve kept a memory that was quite a nasty revelation to me in my back pocket for years. When “mad cow disease” (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) was a concern in global herds of cattle, in early 2004, one ranch in Texas that sold premium beef, possibly to discering global consumers, wanted to test their cattle to prove there was no BSE. However, the USDA specifically prohibited them from doing this, because the USDA has control over what testing may be done per a 1913 statute. The ranch sued and through appeals the courts have upheld the USDA’s interpretation of this statute (though I didn’t dig far enough to see if the courts ever ruled on the claim that the USDA was “arbitrary and capricious” in this regard).

    I can only imagine that the COVID response as a recent proof that the populace can be broadly led away from inconvenient facts or toward certain convenient narratives will be employed again. I fear that the USDA BSE capriciousness will rear its ugly head for other cattle diseases, but only once intentional testing and communication slow-rolling is exhausted as a means of keeping the wool over the public’s eyes.

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  4. Jeremy Grimm

    If I were a terrorist, which I am NOT and would NEVER be, t look on this as an opportunity to strike where it might have some effect. Both the Corona Flu and now H5N1 are of little concern according to the ‘authorities’ although it seems the people who matter, the Elites, remain very concerned to filter and protect their air. A terrorist might take measures to circumvent their officially unnecessary protective measures. An aspiring terrorist might add some sources of infection that have been officially declared safe, to feed viruses into the air filtration systems those terrorist might “infiltrate” — so to speak. Given that the protective measures are officially unnecessary and the infection sources are officially benign, the terrorism would seem little ore than misdemeanor pranks, at least officially speaking — regardless of its impacts, officially speaking.

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    1. Randall Flagg

      >If I were a terrorist, which I am NOT and would NEVER be,

      Careful there, the day may come when NC is silenced, free thinking and critical reasoning may not be tolerated, to be thrown under the terrorist umbrella. You laid out the plan. If only those that are supposed to protect “us”, thought with a little more imagination about thwarting possible scenarios.

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      1. Jeremy Grimm

        I keep such thoughts as you expressed ever in my immediate attention. Just by being a long time commenter at Naked Capitalism I fear the reprisals of the government — not MY government. I appreciate your concerns and will be more circumspect in the future. We do not live in a democratic or ‘free’ country. I grow only too aware of that. Thank you for your concern, and I will be more circumspect in my comments. I very greatly appreciate your concerns.

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        1. Randall Flagg

          I have to apologize if my comment was taken way too seriously. It was a poor attempt a comedy.
          Like your words, I think that calling our government a democracy is getting to be a running joke and I’m sure if you were to someday run for a higher office of some kind, your comment would be dug up and thrown out there as proof that YOU are conspiring, aiding and comforting, being a ringleader, you name it, all in an effort to keep you in line. Whatever the line is they want.
          Please keep up your commentary in all ways possible. Yours, like so many others here, give me so much to think about, learn from and appreciate.

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          1. ambrit

            It is generally the function of comedians, formerly known as ‘court jesters’ etc. to speak aloud “forbidden” truths. It is a proud tradition, often plied in dungeons and jails alike.
            When murder is committed against “innocents” by government, it is termed “policy.” When committed against ‘innocents’ by non-governmental groups, it is termed “terrorism.”
            If one is to embrace the ideal that “murder is murder,” then one must act, and decisively to stop it, whether committed by governments or non-governments alike.
            One ‘apparatchik’s’ terrorist is another ‘citizen’s’ freedom fighter.
            Stay safe.

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            1. Jester

              It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.

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  5. Randall Flagg

    Well, The top 3 countries the US exports milk to are: Mexico, Canada and China respectively.
    https://fas.usda.gov/dairy-2021-export-highlights

    I would imagine that any one of them on the list saying, “We will not import any milk unless it’s from tested herds” would wake a few people up. Business interests and all. Especially with Mexico trying to get healthier food into it’s society as of late.
    Of course all those extra culled dairy cows could reduce beef prices but again, would they be tested before slaughter?

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      1. Randall Flagg

        >Human transmission that piles bodies might focus the mind as well, but it’s already too late then.

        Well said and one has to wonder if that is the ultimate goal.

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  6. Darius

    Biden’s chief of staff Jeff Zients, the author of his stellar COVID policy, is reportedly measuring the drapes in the Treasury Secretary’s office for when K Harris takes over. Just like Biden, failing up. Can’t find the link. It may have been in water cooler.

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  7. eg

    Biden isn’t “betting” on anything because he’s neither deciding nor doing anything. Someone behind the scenes is rolling the dice …

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  8. Matthew T Hoare

    If H5N1 makes the jump to direct human-human transmission it will make COVID look like a walk in the park. It would probably mark the peak of human population, with the numbers falling from that point, which might actually help with the other aspects of the polycrisis.

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    1. steppenwolf fetchit

      If the Elites want to give H5N1 time to make the jump, and time for direct human-human transmission to accelerate to runaway pandemic levels, then their careful suppression and prevention of counter-H5N1 makes perfect sense.

      Jackpot design engineering.

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      1. Matthew T Hoare

        That’s a really silly thing to say. Would you like to buy some cheap tin foil? I think your hat is slipping…

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        1. steppenwolf fetchit

          ” Him that is not surprised when the future comes, lives very close to the truth.”

          Let Darwin decide which one of us that is.

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  9. The Rev Kev

    I’m going with the idea that the way that H5N1 has been handled is all due to the 2024 election. The Biden regime must have been warned months ago what was coming their way and all the active steps that would have to be taken to counter it. But this would throw everything into disruption during an election year and they knew that Trump and the Republicans would haul them over the coals in any response that they made. So instead, they put a lid on the whole thing. Got their buddies in the media to not make a big deal about it which was not hard as the media had so much practice downplaying the multiple waves of infection of Covid. If they were still in office in ’25 then they would do something about it – maybe – and if they lost, could hand the whole thing off to Trump. In the meantime however, H5N1 had is own timetable to keep.

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  10. Ignacio

    For those with a background on flu epidemiology I would recommend the latest joint FAO/WHO report from August 2024. It is very informative and tells a story of increased variation of HPAI H5N1 with now a few clades circulating world wide, some of which are recombinants of the original clade with previously existing variants and a worldwide distribution in birds plus several zoonotic transfers to mammals with reported or (highly) suspected mammal-to-mammal transmissions and with all kind of outcomes some of them quite worrying.

    I would say that Biden’s administration is only another case of denial or silencing of events like in other administrations. A difference with the Covid pandemic is that the tools for mass detection of these new clades arising already exist before human-to-human outbreaks are reported. Might this make the difference? Who knows. Mi guess is that with the CoV pandemic so recent they (the so called leaders) fear the reaction if the public comes to fear another pandemic in so short time. The risks are there, are quite unpredictable on the timing of events, and many consider this is only a question of time given the evolution of H5N1 epidemics in recent years. For some with which I have been talking recently the most important unknown is how virulent would turn to be the variant which comes to spread amongst humans. Which clade would be the one that manages to break that barrier? Will it come by further recombination events or/and mutational drift? Are we able to react fast enough to make a sudden outbreak stop on its origins? This might strongly depend on where the first outbreaks appear, if they can be fast tracked and containment measures taken soon after detection. Yet, given the current state of international relationships I find it now more difficult an international coordination effort than in 2020. Seeing how we are reacting to the monkeypox outbreaks in Africa can be a primer on what to expect. Speaking of pox, might we face combined pandemics?

    You talk about Biden… in Spain the analysis of viruses on wastewater HAVE BEEN DISCONTINUED!!! We learnt nothing! This is quite possible the best and most cost-effective way of tracking epidemics and we discontinue it. “They learnt nothing and forgot nothing” comes to mind. It doesn’t make any difference if we have a brand new congressional office for scientific advising. We keep making stupid political decisions. Because fear?

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  11. Randall Flagg

    I remember at the beginnings of the Covid lockdowns a few commenters mentioned that if lockdowns could be enforced/enabled for a few moths then Covid would burn itself out(?).
    I was always intrigued by that, how the mechanisms of a lockdown would work in keeping the systems that keep society functioning and require humans to monitor and run while everyone would stay home.
    Slaughter houses open to process animals.
    Mines to provide fuel for power plants.
    Water systems.
    Food delivery/grocery stores. Many just don’t have the cap to store food for weeks on end.
    Schools and education, remote learning, connections to the internet are spotty at best, nonexistent in many rural areas of the country.
    Hospitals, people needing treatments for cancers, ERs for the weekend warriors getting hurt doing whatever projects they have in mind with all their free time at home.
    Many more than come to mind at the moment. It seems the template for this could be created before the next pandemic rather than pulling it out of our backside at the spur of the moment.
    I also recognize that big business’s interests is a driver of a lot what passes for “measures taken ”
    Would love to read the thoughts on this subject.

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    1. David in Friday Harbor

      Under our system of Inverted Totalitarianism the only thing that government exists for is to facilitate rent extraction and outright looting by elite business interests who can kick back to entrenched geriatric political elites. Anything that might interfere with this process is suppressed.

      The broad mass of humanity is an expendable raw material to be manipulated and exploited. The elites have convinced each other that they have insulated themselves from the collapse (aka Jackpot), if only for their expected lifespans.

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        1. steppenwolf fetchit

          And they don’t have to care, unless someone drops covid powder or ManBirdCow Flu dust into their air-vent systems.

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  12. thoughtfulperson

    Operation Warp Speed came well after human to human spread of Covid-19 was established (and thriving). Better, or more accurate, to compare the test kit failures at the start of covid19. We do have tests for H5N1 now, we are choosing not to test. Viruses specialize in a few things and one is to evolve and propagate. It seems not just precautionary to stomp out H5N1 – its spread from birds to many mammals and now humans have been infected. Just a matter of time before we have widespread human to human transmission.

    Once that happens the big question will be what is the virulence or death rate in humans. If like it’s been in many other species this pandemic will be a lot worse than covid19. Luckily there are some vaccines. I believe there is currently just enough for a few million persons, though unknown how effective it will be on the not quite yet fully adapted human version of H5N1.

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    1. lambert strether

      My sole point with OWS is that institutionally it was a success, as opposed to USDA’s debacle (though a profitable debacle).

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